Missions & Complexes

Yes, please do this. I have two still up for sale and another listing next week.

You've acknowledged the fact that you are new to the game, yet you claim to have a better understanding of it than people who have played for years. Do you not see that it's your understanding of the game that might be flawed?

I'll try and address some of the points you've made. You claim that new players are put off by being too far behind older players but this is just a misunderstanding on their part, perpetuated by idiots such as yourself. There is plenty for a new player to do in the couple of months it takes to get ones core skills. After that, a 6 month old player in a frigate is the same as a six year old player in a frigate in terms of skill points. Do you understand that?

What do you think will happen to the longevity and general gameplay of the game if skill points come easy and everyone is flying super caps? You've failed to look at the consequences of your suggestion and are just crying like a child in a toy shop unable to buy all the toys at once. Eve isn't about instant gratification yet you want to make it that way.

You've also forced me to play the WoW card. As someone who was dedicated to the game (top 100 world raiding guild, rank 14 pvp etc) I can tell you that making the game more accessible killed it. It belittled the efforts of the hardcore players and drove them away from the game. Without the hardcore players the game started to die. Why? Because in Mmos it's the players that create a large part of the culture and meaning to the game. This is even more the case with Eve.

It's not only about attracting subscribers for CCP. It's about the quality of the subscribers and their effect on the game long term. Wow refugees such as yourself (no doubt you never played wow in vanilla or you would know the damage your attitude can cause to an MMO) have yet to understand how Eve works and still have the affront to try to mould the game into what you naively want it to be. This is why you've been met with disgust from many in this thread.

I suggest you get to actually know the game before you come onto the forums raging that you have 7 days left for frigate V. Come back in a year and post. If you still feel this way I'll be astonished but at least you'll be in a better position to talk about it.

As it is, you're a first year Arts student trying to argue with an army of Noam Chomskys.

You bring up some valid points but your delivery leaves much to be desired. I have never spoke down to you or anyone else on these forums, so why must you try and belittle me because I may not have had the same grasp of the game that you desire me to have and that I have an opinion of my progress thus far.

Let’s stop bringing up all other MMOs as we are talking about EVE and only EVE. As both RubyPorto and you stated/directed, I am building my core skills and I plan on maximizing my frigate skills. I currently don’t have destroyer or cruiser trained as I’m only focusing on flying a frigate at this point. What I did was go through the description of all the ships (frigates) attributes for Gallente and decided on flying a Daredevil; this choice made me deviate a little from my original plan as I needed to train Minmatar frigate to 3 (but I don’t think that they are wasted points).

I have a serious question for you though. How often do you actually fly a frigate? Is this what you mission in to make your ISK? Is the frigate your hull of choice when PVPing?

The reason I ask is that I don’t see me accumulating that much ISK banging out level 1 and 2 missions for the next 6 months to purchase anything of real value. I’m lucky if I make 10 million in the span of 4 hours; no, I haven’t taken salvage, loot or loyalty points into account, I’m just basing my numbers on ISK from bounties and mission payout. Personally, I’m not the scamming type, so I’m not going to go beg for ISK or try selling 1 shuttle for 3.5 billion ISK. And I’m trying to optimize my skill points, so I have nothing in trade or industry other than what was required for the tutorial missions.

My reply was lost to the ether so I'll just say that I do fly frigates. Pretty much all high sp, active, pvp players love to fly frigates.

If you want to make money in your frigate, do Angel Sound arc. You seem clever enough and I'm sure you'll come up with ideas to make money once you've completed that.

Don't take the tone of some of the replies in this thread personally. Let me know in a year's time if you still endorse OPs ideas.

pretty much one of the main selling points about EVE is there is no exp grind. Skill Points are what they are.

The only grind in EVE is for isk and there are many many ways to make isk in EVE.

if you know what you want and are focused you can generally have the skills needed to fly a ship by the time you can afford to fly it. Keep in mind the first rule of EVE. Do not fly what you can not afford to lose. by the time you have enough isk that losing a ship is not a burden on your wallet you can have all the skills needed to fly that ship well. don't race through the skills to get the minimum needed for a shiny battleship. you will just lose it.

There is far more to flying a battleship in EVE than the minimum skill requirements. learn the game mechanics, perfect your skills with low class ships. frigates are a lot of fun to PVP in and are low cost to replace. Don't PVP in a battleship unless you can afford to replace it every time you undock in it.

EVE has a steep learning curve, but once you get the game, and learn the mechanics that make it work, skill points do not mean so much any more. I have played for over 2 years and still have not maxed all my skills for flying a battleship. but I have been flying battleships for 1 1/2 years. the more I play the game, the better I get. Only with experience and the knowledge of what modules to use in what situations, and how to best use those modules, will you really benefit from the skill points giving you the most out of those modules.

Many new players come to EVE saying this is bull***. but EVE is the only PVP focused MMO that is still going strong past its 8th year. most MMO's drop off and die after 4-5 years at the most. EVE's continued success is an indisputable testament to the fact they they pretty much got it right. Don't come here in all your noobness and tell us it needs to be changed. Look what happened to SWG when the developers listened to the complaints of the new players rather than the feed back of the veterans.

So the goal of EVE is to do missions? I'm glad you aren't in charge of game development. Not sure what you mean about modernizing missions but it had better not be "kill 10 guristas" or something WoWish. The best part of EVE is that there is no grind unless you create one for yourself. Imaginiation > Repetition. The OP's idea is absolutely terrible and I am glad to see only a couple people in this thread couldn't see that. You don't need max skills to be effective in EVE at any task. All you need to do to compete at low skill points is specialize and use what you got. If that fails make a friend or something.

A fair while back a bunch of people from failheap made accounts on Serenity, the chinese eve server. They started up their new characters, and on literally the first day of their new accounts, they started ganking people:
http://killboard.nl/en/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2231

Fast forward about 2 weeks, and they killed a carrier, using 2 week old nubs in frigates:
http://killboard.nl/en/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29803

People assume you need 20million SP to be able to do anything in eve, and this is provably false. Granted, it takes experience to do well in pvp, but in eve especially numbers play a much larger role than actual skill levels. New players don't need more SP, they just need to go out and pvp more.

and you omitted the link to your great mission revamp idea just by mistake ...

you are missing a crucial point here ... the conservatives and the radicals need to mix in a proper ratio to not break the game. going from extreme to extreme does ruin things very fast ...

Revamping missions would be a fantastic idea (this coming from someone you might classify as a "Null sec Epeen") as they're fantastically boring. The sticking point in any suggestion is and always been "How?"

From the ground up, we have (generally) 3 areas of space, ideally organized thusly:
Hisec: Low Effort, Low Reward
Lowsec: Moderate Effort, Moderate Reward
Nullsec: High Effort, High Reward

(Please note, I use the word "Effort" not "Risk" because in all areas there are risks, they're just of differing natures and require differing amounts of effort to mitigate)

Right now the landscape looks more like
Hisec: Low Effort, High Reward
Lowsec: Moderate Effort, Moderate Reward
Nullsec: High Effort, High Reward

So there's a problem, and any revamping of missions in Hisec would need to address that problem. So, whoops that would be the dreaded nerf word. Thus starts the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the mourners of missionbear.


Remember, not all changes to EvE will be to your benefit (I've been on the receiving end of quite a few).

In all honesty i have played wow, istaria and various other so-called MMO's and EVE online is a game i love as you dont just grind to get everything You play it in whatever way you want, you could just simply mine, belt run, mission run, PvP, Hell or join a null sec alliance and get involved ina massive war which you may not understand just for the thought of killing other in-game players whom also know the risks, if you're bored of playing Eve go null sec and go war it out!

The reason the skill queue is so brilliant is that it brings players to wait for stronger equipment, stronger, bigger ships or even upgraded technology, But the thing is granted some skills take more than a Day or even amonth (regaurding to larger capital based ships) but through this you learn that things take time, EVE is not designed for impatient players, hell i have to wait 39D just for a proteus i couldnt care about the wait as in 2D i get a RattleSnake and i get to test it out, its the long/short wait then heading out and testing your grande new ship to its limit's or be a BOSS and do lvl 1's in it >:O

In all honesty its your choice personally i would leave EVE and i know a lot more players would as well if EVE gave SP Awards.

Its a great idea only its not what EVE needs, its one of the few things that makes EVE unique and fun, i would sure as hell not want to have a SP addition to skills and stuff.