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Best caldari tacklers?

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Elemac Clemson
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-02-04 07:26:03 UTC
I've been interested in flying as a scout/tackle for a while now, but I don't have a lot of small-ship experience. I'm a caldari roleplayer so cross training isn't an option for me. My corpmates have informed me that this is very bad in the long run as the raptor is worst among the long-point interceptors. Do I have other options for this role and/or can I make the raptor work out better than they expect?

Also, what would be a good ship for me to train on before I go out and loose a bunch of isk sacrificing interceptors to my own ignorance? Preferably something that is fast and handles similarly to an inty so I don't feel too estranged jumping into my more expensive ship later on.

Thanks a bunch
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#2 - 2012-02-04 07:46:37 UTC
assuming pure caldari your kinda stuck with the crow / raptor as far as inties.

Though not the best by a margin, they serve well enough for long point roles.

If you have a skirmish link on a buddies battlecruiser you can stay comfortable out of heavy neut range with a crow as well.

unfortunately for you as far as training in a cheap ship, your limited to the condor or merlin for choices and the merlin is kinda slow.

an ab condor with a long point and range rigs for the rockets can work, but only if your against slower vessels. drones eat it up quick too. They can be fun to fly but target selection is limited, and you will pluck your eyes out if you have to rely on your own dps to bring down the target.

Else, toss an MWD on a merlin with a long point and just accept that your typical interceptor is much faster and smaller, and often less EHP. The merlin will allow you to play long point for gangs and actually catch up to a larger variety of prey than the ab condor.

solo in the ab condor will make you appreciate sig and piloting tank however, something that lands a solid hit on you will put you out of the fight quick so you need to be on your toes, much like the inties.

the inties aren't that expensive, given the above you might be better off learning in raptors and crows. the fight changes when your going faster than 6k. the caldari T1's aren't going to prep for that.
Death Toll007
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-02-04 09:39:35 UTC
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-DT
Number 17
COLD-Wing
#4 - 2012-02-04 10:12:48 UTC
Even if you are a true Caldari roleplayer, khanid ships are not out of the ecuation. A mixture of Amarr and superior Caldari Tech, the malediction is in my humble opinion the best tackler.

Dont listen to haters about the raptor, 202 dps in T2 vainilla fit, it can be pretty awesome for a ceptor.
Mike712
Tenth Plague of Egypt
#5 - 2012-02-04 16:00:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike712
Raptor can be quite useful.

[Raptor, Fast locking tackler]
Overdrive Injector System II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution

75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
[empty high slot]

Small Targeting System Subcontroller I
Small Targeting System Subcontroller I

With over 3.2k scan res this can lock a stealth bomber/covert recon/cloaky T3 before it can cloak, I've seen it done by a pilot in my corp and it's pretty epic.

Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team

Ryuce
#6 - 2012-02-04 18:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryuce
Mike712 wrote:
Raptor can be quite useful.

[Raptor, Fast locking tackler]
Overdrive Injector System II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution

75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
[empty high slot]

Small Targeting System Subcontroller I
Small Targeting System Subcontroller I

With over 3.2k scan res this can lock a stealth bomber/covert recon/cloaky T3 before it can cloak, I've seen it done by a pilot in my corp and it's pretty epic.

Can you in any way prove, that the lock wasn't down to a piloting error from the cloaky, which would have allowed for a better fitted tackler with lower scan res to do the same?

E: @OP; you'd might want to look into the Crow instead of the Raptor. The Crow is the one with the warp disruptor range bonus.
Elemac Clemson
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-02-04 18:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Elemac Clemson
Unfortunately khanid ships are out of the question. But from the looks of that raptor fit, I may need to re-consider.

Ryuce wrote:
The Crow is the one with the warp disruptor range bonus.


I'm afraid not.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-02-05 11:13:35 UTC
Im terribad in RP but .... "What is the best inty ? .. "I can only fly caldari ones ... ever".


Where was the question ?
Number 17
COLD-Wing
#9 - 2012-02-06 18:43:06 UTC
Elemac Clemson wrote:
Unfortunately khanid ships are out of the question. But from the looks of that raptor fit, I may need to re-consider.


Oh, you are missing SO much.

That raptor fit seems pretty decent, some players may flame me, but i've been flying ceptors for a long time and i dont think you need over 1200 scan res.
And as someone stated above, ive seen remote sensor boosted gang bonused rigged dedicated tacklers fail to catch a cloaky. so, no.
Going back to the raptor fit, you will find out that you can either tacke or shoot. not both, as the raptors capacitor is some kind of sick joke.
I would drop the SeBo for a short point. drop a signal amp for a PDS. And change one of the rigs to Ionic Field Projector for added targeting range.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#10 - 2012-02-06 21:19:09 UTC
a single sig amp should give you ample targeting range, no pun intended.

Number 17 wrote:
drop a signal amp for a PDS.


power diag system on a ceptor? Shocked is the raptor so bad it can't run a mwd and a point without capping out?

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#11 - 2012-02-06 21:45:35 UTC
Elemac Clemson wrote:
I've been interested in flying as a scout/tackle for a while now, but I don't have a lot of small-ship experience. I'm a caldari roleplayer so cross training isn't an option for me. My corpmates have informed me that this is very bad in the long run as the raptor is worst among the long-point interceptors. Do I have other options for this role and/or can I make the raptor work out better than they expect?

Also, what would be a good ship for me to train on before I go out and loose a bunch of isk sacrificing interceptors to my own ignorance? Preferably something that is fast and handles similarly to an inty so I don't feel too estranged jumping into my more expensive ship later on.

Thanks a bunch


I don't agree that the Raptor is "bad" as a long point inty. Its not a stand out better than everyone else, but its not really stand out worse either. I wouldn't feel gimped if I had to fly the Raptor as a tackler. Another option is to use a 5km/s long+short point Hawk as a tackler. Anyway, for a T1 tackler you can use a Condor, Kestrel, or Merlin. I'd prolly just go ahead and shell out for the inty though - they're cheap as chips.

Mike712 posted a scan res heavy Raptor fit... I'd go a bit lighter on it and only devote a single sig amp to it. From there load up on speed and long + short point. Fit rails for shooting trailing drones.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#12 - 2012-02-07 04:54:47 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Another option is to use a 5km/s long+short point Hawk as a tackler.


Your advice to the Rookie is to get close to 3 billion isk in implants and Loki gang support?! C'mon man....
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#13 - 2012-02-07 05:01:06 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Another option is to use a 5km/s long+short point Hawk as a tackler.


Your advice to the Rookie is to get close to 3 billion isk in implants and Loki gang support?! C'mon man....


I didn't say 7-8km/s, I said 5km/s. Maybe if you stopped being snarky and looked at the ship you might understand just how silly you look right now. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Rastigan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-02-07 05:02:15 UTC
The Raptor is also one of the interceptors than can actually do usefull damage.

Not a fan of the Hawk, but medium shield extender Harpies make excellent heavy tacklers.
Allyia Base
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-02-07 05:05:22 UTC
I don't know who told you the raptor sucked, it's fine. It long points and pews drones just as well as any inty and that's all you really want/need out of one.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#16 - 2012-02-07 05:29:37 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Another option is to use a 5km/s long+short point Hawk as a tackler.


Your advice to the Rookie is to get close to 3 billion isk in implants and Loki gang support?! C'mon man....


I didn't say 7-8km/s, I said 5km/s. Maybe if you stopped being snarky and looked at the ship you might understand just how silly you look right now. :)

-Liang


If I:
Gut it's tank and gank and add all speed rigs and lows
Overheat the MWD
Add a low grade snake set

I can get it to 4754 m/s.

Less then I thought but still expensive.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#17 - 2012-02-07 05:41:35 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:

If I:
Gut it's tank and gank and add all speed rigs and lows
Overheat the MWD
Add a low grade snake set

I can get it to 4754 m/s.

Less then I thought but still expensive.


Nobody but you has said anything about snakes. You should be able to reach sufficient speeds with just a loki booster, which I'd say about 75% of the gangs I see have. As to it "gutting the tank" - its still got 10x (or more) as much tank as an inty.

Not seeing the problem here?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#18 - 2012-02-07 05:56:36 UTC
"75% of the gangs that you see" means alot more when you don't reside in just one system. P
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#19 - 2012-02-07 06:10:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Ok, whatever **** it man. The ******* hawk is **** and nobody should ever fly one. Roll

******* moron.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Allyia Base
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-02-07 06:23:38 UTC
Oh he mad.
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