EVE General Discussion

One thing I think might turn people off the game before starting it is a quick browsing of the forums and gauging the state of the community. The EVE community is incredibly self-centered, self-destructive, and overly hostile to new people or other's that don't play the game as they want them to play it. You can browse GD and see example after example of this. I'm not talking about hostility with certain facets of the game, I mean outright hostility and attacks against groups of players. When you constantly tell people to GTFO and play WOW they will, taking their revenue with them.

Then there are the attempts by one group of players to completely destroy the play style of other groups of players for whatever excuse. This leads to more people leaving the game. People stay out of low sec because the people that inhabit it simply want to kill whoever for their epeen boards and have engaged in a full onslaught to kill and change the play styles of others to force them into their kill zones (Incursion). People in 0.0 want to horde all the isk in the game and have engaged in campaigns to kill off play styles in high sec and wh (i.e. removing ABC).

Then there is the endless finger pointing at each other for the reason the game's prices have inflated. With each finger point comes a claim to destroy and remove that perceived "isk faucet". If someone is doing an activity and play/pay the game for that activity then an attack on that play style will not be perceived favorably; actual changes or removal as suggested by other players will result in more people leaving.

My point is the EVE community is self destructive in nature. Each group is out to kill and take from other groups. Sure you call this harsh and to HTFU but in reality it leaves the game capped with a certain type of person willing to play the game and not likely to draw new people.

At the same time as the Jita tantrums over vanity items, there was a huge bait and switch nerf to null sec Anoms. When we were given the Dominion patch a few years ago, Sov mechanics were flipped on thier ear.

I don't know if you were well in to the null game when that happened but previous to that you simply needed to have a POS up and a claim for Sov. After it we got our PI and Dust motives, TCU and I-Hub. I-Hub upgrades were expensive and time consuming. Just as the rewards started to kick in, CCP nerfed it down to what we have now.

At the time of the nerf the numbers of login were in fact steady 22 hrs a day 40K and up. Null was pretty busy, you could see it on the maps. People were playing all of EVE all the time. Then came said nerf and monoclegate has been a red herring ever since in an attempt to conceal the fact that the game was truly at end game and it wasn't pretty. As for the 40K login all the time, that stopped and we are now at 2008 numbers again. CCP threw 15% of thier subscription under the bus in an attempt to play thier 514 card and reset EVE in a way that didn't flat out say, you lose all your stuff because it stays in assets. I'm sure since the anom nerf, trillions and tens of trillions were lost to hostile lock down and people saw this all fro what it was and left for Skyrim, SW-TOR, some to Perpetuum, they scattered.

CCP were running business as usual but players had seen that movie before and it didn't work out. Now CCP have an 8 year old game with mediocre subs and no chance of ever recruiting to peak numbers. It was the sunset moment for EVE. People will try and troll and derail this and turn it in to a tinfoil hat thread but EVE is now on the decline and I don't see CCP having true motive to turn it around.

Live by the sword, CCP. You know the rest.

CCP wasted a couple years catering towards carebears by inserting new forms of PvE instead of focusing on the emergent PvP aspect of EVE that draws in the majority of new players both then and now

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Because the game advertises open pvp and then gives too much protection from it. The game suffers from what every pvp game suffers from. Devs catering to the game wrecking carebear. So a mish-mosh of systems are developed that try and cater to both the bear and the viper and fail to deliver to either.

DUST will spread EVEs story and culture to a lot more people, and perhaps a percentage of DUST players will make EVE accounts to play casually.

But i think its unlikely DUSTS players will be hardcore PvP, thats why they play DUST.

FW still has potential to be a key feature, particularly for people who want casual PvP, or people wanting to learn PvP. It has never realized its potential and is something CCP could turn around in days if they so chose.

I'd agree but there isn't enough demand for true FFA PvP and while PvE games might "destroy" true FFA, Griefers cripple it as well. You see it in the scorched earth wars of EVE. It's not enough to beat someone, they need to be exterminated in an almost genocidal fashion. In the spirit of sandbox, CCP have yet to restrain this but in the interest of EVE, players have yet to control themself. Exceptions being -A- who did allow an establishment to return for the sake of the game and the benefit in the long term. They can do light roams in Provi and have pew pew because they "took a risk" and allowed NRDS to repopulate. The same can't be said for many entities.

In Q4-2010 QEN numbers where stated at

High-Sec - 79.61%
Low-Sec - 6.68%
NULL-Sec - 11.26%
W-Space - 2.45%

Granted numbers might have changed since then, but i doubt by much.

Perhaps you should have done some research before posting.

And those stats do not mean what you are trying to imply they do. I love pvp. I love the market. I hate playing grunt to null politics. I prefer hisec congestion. I want war dec mechanics that force conflict and consequences.

If I could spike other people's colonies with cubic metres of space-meth and sani sabik blood raiders through their POCOs i would love PI