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CSM for High Sec? Isnt April the first a few months away?

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-02-03 20:38:22 UTC
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Ok I think I understand where you're coming from them, make it so that basically people can not, say for example, provoke others (in anyway) and then be able to go hide in an NPC corp? It does sound like a plausible idea to me, just perhaps with a few changes to the proposed system P

(All NPC corps are kept, so loyalty points etc continue to work. However, only the starting one is joinable (and cannot be wardecced), which one being based on how a player chooses their background. They are automatically put in to this, like rookie chat, and so like it is in the current system. If they leave to join another corp, then they can not rejoin it (and hence, here we move to your system of 'Free lancers'), and also, like the Rookie chat there is also a time limit to how long they are kept in the rookie corp (say, 3 months, to allow players to find their feet and look at different careers properly? After that, they could either carry on being freelance, or look for a corp (e.g. E-Uni if they feel they're not ready without more practise at things)

Which brings a second point, which is the tutorial. If you were to be elected and could push these ideas forwards, then another suggestion would be to have a tutorial section on corporations, hi sec, low sec and null sec dynamics and PVP, along with suggested corps to move on to when their ready (corps could apply to CCP to be added to this list, determined by certain...requirements?) Just so this could try to prevent newbies from making decisions without all the info, as well as make sure they know about the freelance affects when they come in to play. I was confused myself when it came to looking for corps/using the corp screen, as the amount of them was overwhelming and the tutorial didn't cover anything about them P ). .


I forgot to reply back that these are all sensible compromises, although I think 3 months is a bit long, that I agree to the general sentiment but I'd like to add the caveat that behavior like suicide ganking and canflipping other newbies gets you moved into "Freelance" to discourage things like disposable thrasher alts.
J Kunjeh
#82 - 2012-02-03 20:44:11 UTC
Sorry, but I can only vote for those who can spell correctly and use at least somewhat proper grammar. God, can you imagine reading an entire 50 page PDF of the CSM minutes written like this?

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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#83 - 2012-02-03 21:27:16 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
Sorry, but I can only vote for those who can spell correctly and use at least somewhat proper grammar. God, can you imagine reading an entire 50 page PDF of the CSM minutes written like this?


If you think the current crop in the CSM aren't heavily edited, I've got a bridge to sell you.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#84 - 2012-02-03 21:32:29 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
The last CSM that ran as a rep of HISEC, PVE, and Industrialists won with the 2nd highest vote count of any of the other CSM candidates in that election. ;)

Just nobody else has tried to put the same effort into getting the HISEC votes as she did since that election.

Though likely didn't help that she was removed from the CSM for an NDA breach after the first summit where she also threw metal spoons at another member of the CSM from across the table. ;)
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#85 - 2012-02-03 21:36:19 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
The last CSM that ran as a rep of HISEC, PVE, and Industrialists won with the 2nd highest vote count of any of the other CSM candidates in that election. ;)

Just nobody else has tried to put the same effort into getting the HISEC votes as she did since that election.

Though likely didn't help that she was removed from the CSM for an NDA breach after the first summit where she also threw metal spoons at another member of the CSM from across the table. ;)


Can we bring her back? Sounds like precisely what the CSM needs.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-02-03 21:43:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Nova Fox wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
All this noise and yet NPC corporations, mission runners and highesec are here to stay.

So instead of... ................................................................
..................................................


Partially.

Ill break it down easy enough.

Stupid prey dont live long, neither do supid predators.....


I agree with everything you stated there, however there is this.

Quote:
With that I swear to never to vote for anyone running for highsec


& this

Quote:
To run on an industrial platform, to run on a scientific platform, or even the role play platform is much better than running for 'high sec as it seems so abmigous to what is high sec? I much rather have a 'Noob' candidate running on the behalf of all new players making NPE better than a high sec platform.



High Sec can be defined as a location in EVE Online that comprises the largest % of it's player base. It is the economic center for all of EVE Online, Null Sec included. This location has it's own specific set of rules and game mechanics. If a CSM, any CSM, comes to the table who not only grasps this, but can bring to the table a much needed rekindling of how high sec can be redefined... then that would be a very good thing. Would it not be?


& in such an instance, you might want to rethink your stance of "Swearing to never vote for anyone running for 'highsec'". Because it makes you seem anti-High Sec when you say things like "There are far better platforms to run for, there are far better ideals to take up." & "To run for CSM high sec as thier hailing like putting oneself wrapped in bloody meat into the ocean with no cage"

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2012-02-03 21:44:31 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
The last CSM that ran as a rep of HISEC, PVE, and Industrialists won with the 2nd highest vote count of any of the other CSM candidates in that election. ;)

Just nobody else has tried to put the same effort into getting the HISEC votes as she did since that election.

Though likely didn't help that she was removed from the CSM for an NDA breach after the first summit where she also threw metal spoons at another member of the CSM from across the table. ;)


Can we bring her back? Sounds like precisely what the CSM needs.

She lives in Delve now near npc 0.0... meaning she has been tainted now to be an evil mistress of grief and rmt
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#88 - 2012-02-03 22:31:37 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
Sorry, but I can only vote for those who can spell correctly and use at least somewhat proper grammar. God, can you imagine reading an entire 50 page PDF of the CSM minutes written like this?


Considering you used two conjectives in one sentence...
Fifty needs to be spelled out not numerical.
Also it is .pdf not PDF.

Sorry, just wanted to give you a hard time and wanted to let you konw I dont have time to shove every informal post here into spell checker and we all know how horrid those document programs are at understanding grammar :P.

Good thing I am not running.
Also I have agree the minutes are edited and NDA'ed up like you wouldn't belive. I'll agree to be the third party man in the bridge deal.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#89 - 2012-02-03 22:41:26 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
All this noise and yet NPC corporations, mission runners and highesec are here to stay.

So instead of... ................................................................
..................................................


Partially.

Ill break it down easy enough.

Stupid prey dont live long, neither do supid predators.....


I agree with everything you stated there, however there is this.

Quote:
With that I swear to never to vote for anyone running for highsec


& this

Quote:
To run on an industrial platform, to run on a scientific platform, or even the role play platform is much better than running for 'high sec as it seems so abmigous to what is high sec? I much rather have a 'Noob' candidate running on the behalf of all new players making NPE better than a high sec platform.



High Sec can be defined as a location in EVE Online that comprises the largest % of it's player base. It is the economic center for all of EVE Online, Null Sec included. This location has it's own specific set of rules and game mechanics. If a CSM, any CSM, comes to the table who not only grasps this, but can bring to the table a much needed rekindling of how high sec can be redefined... then that would be a very good thing. Would it not be?


& in such an instance, you might want to rethink your stance of "Swearing to never vote for anyone running for 'highsec'". Because it makes you seem anti-High Sec when you say things like "There are far better platforms to run for, there are far better ideals to take up." & "To run for CSM high sec as thier hailing like putting oneself wrapped in bloody meat into the ocean with no cage"


As such you caught me arguing against myself one of many cases because I do belive in multiple ideals and they consitently collide as they do naturally in the game.

However I'll try to make my stance clearer.

A person who approaches the problems in high sec as an eve wide problem will likely garner better votes becuase that person in question is looking at the subject as a whole and the impact on the other five living zones at least and had time to sit down and think about the potential concequences and possibly even expect failures.

I view most 'high sec' csm candidates as a bit short sighted. Previously these candidates where running under the guise of such but that wasnt thier real platform the things they where mostly in was industry, science, and NPE stuff.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#90 - 2012-02-03 22:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
JC Anderson wrote:
The last CSM that ran as a rep of HISEC, PVE, and Industrialists won with the 2nd highest vote count of any of the other CSM candidates in that election. ;)

Just nobody else has tried to put the same effort into getting the HISEC votes as she did since that election.

Though likely didn't help that she was removed from the CSM for an NDA breach after the first summit where she also threw metal spoons at another member of the CSM from across the table. ;)


Temptations... yeah easily ruin anyone's poltiical carreer, I wonder if anyone accused mitannai for such. Though i think that spoon will live in infamy.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-02-03 23:05:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Nova Fox wrote:


I view most 'high sec' csm candidates as a bit short sighted.


I understand your position, for I see our current null sec CSM's as being a bit too short sighted. They also seem to be lacking a perspective that encompasses the much larger picture. To such a degree, that one could almost blame them for the very term "Empire CSM'". Perhaps, if they had done their job better, there would never have have been a need for a division between Empire, Low Sec and Null Sec CSM's in the first place.

If only we could have individuals representing the broader EVE Universe...
But with the current CSM system I do not see how that could be possible.

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Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2012-02-03 23:12:45 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I been to at least 12 countries in person


"I been... in person"... Wow, I don't even know what to say to that. If you're fishing for votes you just guaranteed yourself none of mine.

Literacy counts. Look into it. Cool
Duck Mouth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2012-02-03 23:15:26 UTC
Borun Tal wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
I been to at least 12 countries in person


"I been... in person"... Wow, I don't even know what to say to that. If you're fishing for votes you just guaranteed yourself none of mine.

Literacy counts. Look into it. Cool



h4aterz gonna hate

Lol
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#94 - 2012-02-03 23:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Borun Tal wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
I been to at least 12 countries in person


"I been... in person"... Wow, I don't even know what to say to that. If you're fishing for votes you just guaranteed yourself none of mine.

Literacy counts. Look into it. Cool


Literacy the ability to read or write, does not denote the quality of such.

I could have said 'I've personally visted twelves countries.'

The things you see typed here are almost as if I was talking to the person, I rarely go back spell check draft or grammar check anything I write as I do consider this an extremly informal envrionment next to chat room one. Youll find most of my edited posts are 'and one more thing' sort of edits.

I at least dont IBC TLR HAND L2R 10T like some of these awful text heads do these days.

Japan,
India,
Canada,
Australia,
New Zealand
South Korea,
Russia,
Mexico,
Hong Kong (its still independent to 2050ish)
Tiwaan,
Indonesia,
Singapore,
Thialand.

... wait a minute thats thirteen...

Fourteen if you count being able to see it from 50 feet away; the country in question being that of north korea.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#95 - 2012-03-12 13:53:00 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Vote for Nicolo da'Vicenza for CSM and by advocating the removal of npc corps (make individuals decable) and dec evasion + bounty system overhaul I will turn hisec into an orgy of blood and gore so deep that it will overcome the fastest interceptor and drown the biggest orca.


Looks likes you lost. <^-^>

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