EVE General Discussion

Just wanted to put this out there to see what  people think. Or if I'm wrong on this. If I get about 3 mil Trit I can build 1000 shuttles and then sell the lot for about 7mill isk at local market rates. However if I take the 3mil Trit and just sell it I can get about 10 mil isk for it. Now in general I often find that the cost of materials will always cost more that the output of production. So given that and the amount of time involved is it ever worth it? Even having time and material research on an antimatter Charge blueprint it still is less than cost. I believe that I have the right skills too. But am I missing something or will cost of production. Always be more than the production itself

1000 shuttles

7 million ISK/each


You've made a slight miscalculation in there somewhere. I'll let you figure out what it is.

To be precise: There are people out there thinking "The mienrals I mine are free" and thus are stupid enough to sell their products UNDER value. If they had to buy all the mienrals they would literally lose money. But as they dont have to buy the minerals they don't see that and just earn elss than they could.

Knowing that youn can exploit their stupidity for your own gains and....go on producing different things not undercut by stupid people

No 7mil total. Sold near market rates at 10k. After tax it came to 7mil total

Never underestimate a customer in need of a shuttle real fast. I've bought shuttles at over 30k isks just caus I was too lazy to get a cheaper one in another station 5000km away.

And I own a load of them.

Oh and if you want more customers for your shuttles gank a few pods traveling in highsec, but I guess it's another story

dont forget: the minerals you mine are free, so you can always sell shuttles below mineral costs

or atleast, thats what idiots think ;)

This has been done many times before.

When I first started I was making good money buying up cap 800's, reprocessing them and then selling the materials back on market.
What I noticed after a while, in the station I was in, the same guy I was buying the boosters from was buying the same materials off me.

That's always made me chuckle.

Shuttle gouging is a time-honored null indy tradition

The only reason to manufacture products for sale on the market is to add value.

In this instance you're not adding value by manufacturing shuttles (the value is dropping significantly in fact) therefore there is no reason to manufacture.

The same applies to refining ore - sell the ore if the payout is better than selling the refined minerals. However it is at this level that the rule starts to seem less clear. By the time you come to modules the number of orders you can maintain becomes a factor. If you have 200 module types to sell and you can only manage 4 orders then the time spent managing the orders may be worth more than the losses made in reprocessing (losses due to inefficiency of the installation, poor skills and/or losses due to recycling equipment with a higher nominal value than its minerals), the prime examples I've seen of this have been when pulling out of 0.0 stations - even faction and T2 ships and mods being melted down because the materials can be sold to provide liquid capital from which to rebuild and the cost is lower than the logistics of removing the assets.

Your efficiency skills, refining and production; the state of your local market and many other factors will influence the ways you add value, if someone's willing to pay well over the odds to have something in a particular station that changes how value is added but also how costs apply - how much could you be making in the time it takes you to move the goods?

If, in the above situation, you could sell the shuttles for exactly the same amount as you could sell the raw trit, would it be worth manufacturing?
No, the installation and usage costs of the factory need to be taken into account, as does the time you've spent installing and delivering the job (not a vast amount of time for a single shuttle BP but significantly more as you manage more lines and tighter schedules).

You're doing it wrong.

If you are trying to sell your stuff in market hubs, competing with almost every single other blueprint owner, then yeah, you are not going to make any money at all because you will be undercut by every idiot who doesn't know how to count or places zero value on his time.

While selling at a market hub provides quick sales if you survive the 0.01 isk game, invest some time in finding other places to sell your stuff.