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Is there anywhere i can read the CSM election manifestos
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Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#21 - 2012-01-29 19:18:47 UTC
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
Zirse wrote:
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
The tl;dr version of all that is that there may be a concept that all players have an equal opportunity for running. There just isn't any mechanics in place to actually make that happen. If you want a truly even system, have an intern pick 7 names at random from the database. contact them and see if they want to be on the CSM. If not pick some other names. Better yet. Have the computer hand you 7 account numbers without names. find out who they are and contact them. Random.

Otherwise we just have this concept and nothing but more EVE corruption. Actually that's all this will ever be.


The CSM needs to have experience and knowledge to be effective to CCP.

Giving seven random people's opinion a weight with CCP is both a horrible idea and a complete waste of time as CCP would be reduced to smiling and nodding most of the summit.


Given the current list of wonderful items pushed by the CSM I don't see where random would made a negative impact. As a group they've shown a lack of knowledge mixed with a lack of fear for damaging things even further. That's because apparently EVE needs more structure grinds and the areas of the game that are working well need to be nerfed to the point that null sec looks good. Plus, now that we have a giant NAP train, nerf everything that might break that up. Yes, an impressive list. Impressive, but not in a positive way.



If you aren't aware that the current CSM and most of nullsec have a vendetta against structure shoots then I can't help you.

The fact is we have some very knowledgeable candidates on this CSM covering most of the bases. Seleene, Trebor, Two-step and Meissa and yes even Mittens all have their **** together and the general sense I get from the minutes is that they're putting it to good use. That's not to say I agree with everything, because I don't-- far from it. However I think they are accomplishing all they need to and reasonably can as the CSM-- the pushing and prodding of CCP in a general direction.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-01-29 20:07:25 UTC
Its that prodding in a general direction that bothers me. I too read the notes. It was a list of null sec alliance buffs and nerfs to all others.

Since the CSM as a group is not familiar with things like Wormhole space, they should leave that alone with the exception of looking at the ideas from people who actually live there. Same for high sec, FW etc. Actually, they should just leave the game alone. Most every new "feature the CSM has put forward are structure grinds. POCOs and NPC stations were some of their top priorities besides the continued erosion of high and low sec, industry, etc.

They do serve null sec large alliances very well though if all you have is a short term goal. Long term, null will eventually hang from the same rope as the rest of the game. You can't keep focusing on just one area o the game and expect it to work.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#23 - 2012-01-29 22:01:42 UTC
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
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That is why voting at all is pretty well worthless. CSM7 elections are over before they even get started. Look forward to even more big alliance buffs and all other spacwe and mechanics nerfed. Kind of like CSM6.


But this simply isn't true:

There's nothing stopping you from voting, and there are a Hell of a lot more of "us" than of "them."

Vote. You have that power, however small, so use it.

Or shut the **** up.

You can start by having a look here to see proof of this.

Ni.
Shepherd Steelringer
#24 - 2012-01-30 00:40:16 UTC
In game voting system = more casual players will vote

It's not "alot". It's not "allot". It's "a lot". Two words.

Congratulations. You just levelled up in real life.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-01-30 00:58:39 UTC
Shepherd Steelringer wrote:
In game voting system = more casual players will vote


That simply isn't true even though it seems like it should be. Always look to see "what is the laziest and yet most self-serving thing I can do in realtion to this problem?". That is usually what people will do unless they feel that somehow they get something out of acting. Generally, most will respond in the most self serving way possible.

So, unless the pilot looking at anything to do with elections instantly grabs onto an idea that seems like it serves them with the minimum amount of effort. Voting is easy, but they're not going to try to look up topics or issues. They will usually pick a name they recognize, choose a vote against someone else or just guess. That's if they vote at all. A small percentage will do some research but even most of those will only go so far. The absolute easiest thing to do when given options but little to no information is simply to do nothing. That's generally what you get since many will not vote so they don't accidently pick a bad candidate that hurts their interests.

That plays well for large groups sine its the small groups that have to deal with all that. Large groups just proclaim "this is our candidate" and generally they should be good to go. They own a big voting block. They use it. What can you say to that? Not much.

So if you want more voters, make it accessable. LOts of big publications over multiple systems. Information must current, widely distributed, and clear. Call it spoon feeding, hand holding, whatever you like, but it has to be done that way.

It's a really big project that only the independant candidates have to do since the big alliances own their voting blocks already and are as good as on the CSM. They're just picking which ones will go to Iceland.
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