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How to get more people to Vote for CSM

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Ai Shun
#21 - 2012-01-27 19:21:43 UTC
Gregor Marethel wrote:
I think Mittens has pushed through a lot of positive changes, but if this Null-Sec only CSM that speaks with one voice continues CCP might as well disband the rest of the CSM and hire Alexander as a consultant.


You mean the CSM that helped with Incursion balance, took stock of the economy as a whole, worked on improving conflict across all spheres and aspects of the game, localization, client and graphics updates, and other features that benefited the player base as a whole?

The same CSM that argued against STV as it would be too easy to manipulate and create unreasonable power blocks, argued for rebalancing of moons, partial skill respecs, reinstatement of team gridlock, Super Capital rebalance, modules, ships, etc.

The same CSM that wanted more variety and diversity in Incursion spawns - in general, improving the experience as the CSM sees this as having valuable social aspects and support further iterations into it.

I'm not even going to bother picking up points past page 15. There's another 29 or so to go.

They may have some players from null-sec, but they're not a null-sec only CSM.
Gregor Marethel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-01-27 20:09:15 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
...Other lies...

They may have some players from null-sec, but they're not a null-sec only CSM.

Yes they are. This is a list of the CSM6, tell me which ones are not Null sec.

CSM Member --------- Alliance ----------------------- Null Systems
The Mittani ----------- Goonswarm Federation -- 118
Vile Rat --------------- Goonswarm Federation -- 118
UAxDEATH ---------- Legion of xXDEATHXx ---- 113
White Tree ----------- Elite Space Guild ----------- 12
Seleene -------------- Pandemic Legion ----------- 3
Trebor Daehdoow -- Dirt Nap Squad. ------------ 2
Draco Llasa --------- Initiative Mercenaries ------ 1
Killer2 ----------------- CORE. --------------- Non-Sov Null PvP Alliance according to KB: http://killboard.evekb.co.uk/?a=alliance_detail&all_ext_id=223369706
Meissa Anunthiel -- Rooks and Kings ---- Non-Sov Null PvP Alliance according to KB: http://rooksandkings.com/killboard/?a=home


Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-01-28 03:29:05 UTC
Gregor Marethel wrote:
Yes they are. This is a list of the CSM6, tell me which ones are not Null sec.


Just because someone is a member of a null-sec alliance does not mean that they only represent nullsec interests. For example, I have two main characters; Trebor is currently in DNS, which does small-gang PVP in lowsec and null, and also runs a lot of Incursions; my other main is a hisec/wormhole industrialist. And if you look at my record as part of CSM5 and CSM6, you'll see that I've always represented the broad interests of all players.

I could make similar arguments about Seleene, Meissa and Two Step (to name the most prominent examples on CSM6).

Pigeonholing someone by where they tend to spend their time is overly simplistic; judge them by their words and their actions.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-01-28 05:58:05 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Pigeonholing someone by where they tend to spend their time is overly simplistic; judge them by their words and their actions.


^^ QFT

And I think a wise person was once quoted by saying something about "You can judge a tree by its fruit".
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#25 - 2012-01-28 06:04:19 UTC
the whole system is fail anyway so who cares.
Marcus Harikari
#26 - 2012-01-28 10:17:05 UTC
I hope SOPA passes and computer games become illegal so that these trivial threads stop taking up my time.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2012-01-28 10:20:17 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
the whole system is fail anyway so who cares.

In what way?
met worst
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-01-28 10:22:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
the whole system is fail anyway so who cares.

In what way?

Because met worst said so. Problem?
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-01-28 10:28:58 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:

The same CSM that argued against STV

Stranglethorn Vale?

in my EVE?

.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-01-28 10:42:33 UTC
On a slightly related note: about one year ago I read an interesting essay about the "Radical Loser".
The author described how radicalism is a character trait of actual or self-perceived losers of society to make up for their hurt egos. Stable and well balanced persons tended more towards moderate political points of view.
Not sure why I am posting this here....

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2012-01-28 10:46:53 UTC
met worst wrote:
Because met worst said so. Problem?
The problem is that you lied.
Julyan Fox
The crossroad Co.
#32 - 2012-01-28 10:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Julyan Fox
I might be wrong but it seemed to me that CSM was simply a marketing argument CCP could wave on their forum ads.

Vote or not, it'll still work as intended.

But I might be wrong.

Oh and I would vote Chibbra, I'd rather have someone who spent time and bucks helping the community than anyone else.
met worst
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-01-28 10:56:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
met worst wrote:
Because met worst said so. Problem?
The problem is that you lied.

If Tippia stands the ENTIRE highsec will rally behind her awesome sensible approach to everything.

Then the problems will all be solved.
met worst
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-01-28 10:57:02 UTC
met worst wrote:
Tippia wrote:
met worst wrote:
Because met worst said so. Problem?
The problem is that you lied.

If Tippia stands the ENTIRE highsec will rally behind her awesome sensible approach to everything.

Then the problems will all be solved.

What problems?

What do you mean?

Why is it an issue?
met worst
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-01-28 11:00:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
met worst wrote:
Because met worst said so. Problem?
The problem is that you lied.

So scamming, cheating, thieving, killing, ambushing, destroying, raiding, ganking, ranting, smacking and everything "ing" in Eve is fine.

But lying is a crime.

Roll
met worst
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-01-28 11:03:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
met worst wrote:
Because met worst said so. Problem?
The problem is that you lied.

Lied about what?

When?

How?

Why?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#37 - 2012-01-28 11:07:06 UTC
met worst wrote:
So scamming, cheating, thieving, killing, ambushing, destroying, raiding, ganking, ranting, smacking and everything "ing" in Eve is fine.

But lying is a crime.
No. It's just not something to base you claims on.
met worst
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-01-28 11:09:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
met worst wrote:
So scamming, cheating, thieving, killing, ambushing, destroying, raiding, ganking, ranting, smacking and everything "ing" in Eve is fine.

But lying is a crime.
No. It's just not something to base you claims on.

Are you going to stand Tippia? You haven't answered my question.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2012-01-28 11:12:14 UTC
met worst wrote:
Are you going to stand Tippia? You haven't answered my question.
Sure. i have to go make something that might be mistaken for food at a cursory glance soon, and I can't do that while on my back in the sofa, now can I?
Sicex
#40 - 2012-01-28 12:27:27 UTC
+1 for a UI incursion of CSM voting.

If CCP thinks enough of the CSM to allow it to exist, they should truly allow it to serve its purpose and be Representative (for lack of a better system). CCP needs to emphasize the importance beyond a login-screen pop-up but have a full voting UI incorporated or the 'average player' (which the system of CSM is supposed to represent) fails before it starts.
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