Warfare & Tactics

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It's much too "hard" to go out of my way to hunt down mission runners because they aren't "easy" to gank. It's much better to sit in 15 to 20 man gangs where help is always 1 jump away to provide easy PVP on a platter. CCP please change game to make care bears easy to gank, because me and my buddies are too lazy to do anything but camp gates and bait for our gangs.

I like running FW missions.
1) I get to travel all around low sec, see the sights, while grinding for isk.
2) Sometimes I can get fights out of the missions if I want (pirates love raiding FW missions).
3) I can hunt afk Caldari mission runners on my way to pick up other missions.
4) Hunting the other side's mission runners is also a fun thing to do on occasion.


They were designed to get people out in low sec and moving around. More targets for gankers, but over time people have figured out how to run them to minimize their losses. After running a few FW missions where you have to make 20 jumps in low sec, running conventional low sec Level 4's is a breeze. You wonder why mission runners stay in high sec after a while.

Or you can just fly your hound like a boss and skip the inty. What a hassle and why risk two ships when the hound is more than capable of speed tanking the room and pooping on the target at the same time.

If you REALLY want to farm missions, you dual box with two bombers :)



Actually, we ALL have suggested fixing the spawning of plexes. That has been the number one player-requested fix for years now, I don’t know how you could be paying attention and say we haven’t been begging for this. Its at the top of my “top trending” FW fixes. We asked for it, it was a great idea, CCP fixed it, and now things are improving.



Also, I’m not complaining about the missions cause I can’t make isk off of them, of course I can! I’ve been milking them for 2 years now! See my “dual bomber” comment above. My problem isn’t that I don’t know how to make money, its that it the missions only make bombers vulnerable. And chasing bombers is not quality PvP. Is it possible? Yes. Is it fun for most pilots? No. The fact that you can stealth in the missions is what lets people join FW for the easy missions, and skip PvP. A good FW missioner will NOT get caught. The missions should be fixed so that you can catch more variety of ships, or end up chasing gangs of pilots that run them instead of solo pilots.

I could farm the missions all day in a bomber and be mostly safe, maybe lose one or two here and there if I get a phone call in the middle, but no big deal. The problem is that it is boring for most Amarr pilots to chase me, and many of them gave up a long time ago. Hunting mission runners should be fun, not frustrating.

Except that the market bottomed out over six months ago .. if that fantasy was real shouldn't all the farmers have moved on?

The pure ISK payout is high enough to keep them in place thus never letting the market recover, it takes 5 bloody minutes to complete a lvl4 FW mission .. once properly set up you can even eliminate 90% of the "oh so daunting!" travel time at marginal cost (ship in each constellation, use stabbed-ceptor for transit).

The risk/reward is so out of whack that any comparison you can make to other areas of Eve will automatically fail .

Ok so we should also take 0.0 an only let pvpers be there right? I mean who wants a carebear in 0.0

Problem solved LETS MOVE ALL carebears to highsec and leave them there.......*facepalm*

I would just like to say I don't think missions ruin FW at all and I have made my billions of isk and will continue to make my isk with FW not a problem. It was but 1 of my 5 points and it was at the bottom for a reason. I think everyone for the past few posts has focused on something that is completely away from the point I am trying to make with my original point. Which was:

CCP has told us via these Minutes that they are looking to completely overhaul the system and possibly destroy it with our own special CMS council so we can have even more drama and in fighting as well as it being more attractive to join just to ruin it. They want to throw out the plexing and replace it with some new Sov system they haven't even talked about yet (how many sov systems have had so far? And how many of them where good?). I also offered a few off handed ideas to try and get the gears rolling. The intent was not to make it a bash on mission runners.

What we need to do is work together not be fighting each other. If we don't have a Focused Dream for FW and impose it on CCP. I think CCP is going to give us a Nightmare.

My personal belief is that FW should be all about the PvP and everything about it should cater to that aspect as much as possible. So some of my ideas are going to be bias and I will admit that. Im willing to put aside bias and try and find good ideas. BolsterBombs right that having Plexing lock down stations would help force fighting and ideas like these should be talked about just as much as some comment I made about missioning.

We need to work together to present some solutions that aren't completely bias. If we can present a more united front and maybe even get a CMS that will speak for us will do much more good and maybe even prevent the nightmare that CCP has proposed.

Or just go in and run them.....sorry but this is 100% wrong. Just because an alliance owns a system does not mean I cannot ninja there stuff. There comes risk because the alliance can kill you while running it (oh wait FW can do that too)

Your argument doesnt stand. You say protect it for X. Where in EVE is something actually 100% protected by game mechanics??? It is not. Its protected by the PLAYERS.

That is why your argument is void. You have the ability stop whinning and go cause some tears.

Precisely. There's lots of PvE activities in lowsec that are higher reward than highsec PvE, but are free for anyone to engage. In fact, I ENCOURAGE carebears to spend more time in lowsec and making more isk there.

I just don't appreciate them taking FW rewards without putting in the work to make FW a better community by actually participating in the war.

Absolutely!! We WANT to be able to protect our missions and run people out. PvP is why we're all here. Again, you're not listening if you think that I believe in ANY kind of arbitrary restrictions on stuff. Obviously ninja-ing is always going to happen to some degree.

However - are nullsec sanctums and havens blitzable in stealth bombers?

The mission system does NOT put mission runners at significant risk, nor do they provide opportunities for quality PvP.

Do you enjoy chasing stealth bombers all over the place? do you think that is adding to the fun factor of FW??

This is a completely legitimate solution to the problem as well. I agree.