EVE General Discussion

Simply put, small corps renting space are struggling with the mining changes.
We don't have a choice of space to move to when the belts run out , so recruiting across time zones only means that if you log on later than your corpmates, only means the colloasal and enormous belts will be empty.
encouraging players to train for rorquals has resulted in disgruntled members no longer logging in after considerable time and isk was spent to get decent yields but with high risk. Now 2 hulks can do the same job with a lowly porpoise for boosts., A sad case of bait and switch with the rorqs that has people not bothering to log in. Why would anyone fly a 12 billion isk target when something much cheaper will do.
We are not all big alliances bleeding the systems dry and wrecking the economy. some of us eke out a living in rented space that is now useless for many hours per day.
Was there anything in this change that was designed to improve the player experience or entice new players? Lets try making changes that meet that goal instead of drving them away

It is percieved to be a situation with a vastly dangerous outcome!!

It's like every time I hear about the rorqual the price goes up. 12b? Last I heard it was 8. Then 10. Is it gonna be 15b next week?
If you use a mobile depo like a competent pod pilot, you won't lose drones, making a rorqual cost what, 3-4b max? (2.3b hull, rest in fittings) and even then insurance can bring the cost down. Its hilariously safe and profitable to use a rorqual if you are attentive/know what you're doing.

well,, if we hadn't been led to believe there was value in training for and buying rorquals the miners would have been happy with hulks and orcas and the new porpoises. The problem was the expectation of so much more only to be double nerfed after people made the effort to train and spent the isk.
The respawn rates are the bigger issue, CCP suggests moving around to offset the timers. That's fine for large alliances with multiple systems. Not so cool for renter corps in a single system.
Someone else is quibbling about the price for rorquals being overstated, but a well fit one with excavator drones is easily over 10bil, fortunately , the latest change is bringing the price down.
my question still stands. what positive excitement did this change create to increase recruiting and growth in the game? or retain those that trickled back in via the alpha clone options just to find out whats going on in EVE,
I will still play my multiple accounts and I will still support my corp and alliance, I am just disappointed that the progress we were making in getting people back in the game has hit yet another roadblock due to changes that seem to solve a nonexistent problem.

if the economy is player driven (as stated numerous times in dev blogs) why is it necessary for CCP to step in and manipulate the minerals market?
Just wondering

Given they are all in Rorqs, not small or newbie from the sounds of it.
And the Small re-spawns in 20 minutes also I believe it was, something very short. Unless they are mining with true clouds of Rorqs they should be able to bounce between the small & medium anyway and enjoy the bigger ones for slightly more profit in the mean time.
And given that is per system....

@leavwiz. Player driven does not mean CCP don't intervene when it tilts badly out of balance. Especially since they caused the imbalance in the first place by changing the Rorq to start with. So if you believe it should never be intervened with, CCP should roll back the Rorq all the way to the original state which is even more of a nerf.

Something something ninja wormholes with Exhumers

Renting is a player-made mechanic, not a systemic one.

Options:
1) Re-negotiate your rent.
2) Join the controlling alliance proper, for more extensive access to their space.
3) Utilize your rented space more efficiently/comprehensively.
4) Move/rent somewhere else. For example, NPC Null.
5) Claim the space for yourself and defend it.
6) Setup alts to run alternative content when your space is depleted.
7) If you can, despite being a "small corp", deplete your space so quickly, it may be time for you to expand and occupy more space.

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Your recruitment rate/retention depends on YOUR choices.
Its up to you what you can offer your members, not CCP and certainly not your landlords.

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You seem to operate off a false premise that your particular piece of space should be inexhaustibly, perpetually filled with riches for convenient constant extraction.

EVE doesnt work that way.

Most players in EVE spend a substantial part of their time moving around to find content.

If you want regular/clockwork content, consider dominating ice-fields.

If the pasture land shrinks, the obvious solution is to reduce the miner population by killing the off. It is the merciful solution.

Rent more than one system has been mentioned multiple times.
another option is to talk to your neighbors, if your in renter space then surely there are a few other renters in your neighborhood. find one that is active in a different time zone from you and negotiate mutual access, heck, that might even evolve into an alliance allowing both groups to hold even more space.
from the sounds of it you have outgrown what you have and you need to either expand to accommodate, or collapse.

Why do people **** away their wealth chasing flavor of the month ships? This isn't League of Legends, there are consequences for being that reckless with your isk.




Wat? how out of touch are you? sell the rorq and you can PLEX for a year. sounds like a ton of wealth to the average player.



Actually yes, reducing the yield of end game, high SP requirement ships like the Rorq means that mineral prices will be higher, and new players in their ventures and retrievers will get a higher isk/hr. Sounds like this change was very beneficial to new players, instead of current players that have Mom's Credit Card trained to V.