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To be clear...

I'm not upset about the nerf to the isk that can be made in a carrier/super while ratting.

I'm pissed that they've made supers ... a 30bil isk ship fitted so easily defanged and killed. It sucks in PVP already and they just made it worse. They are also making the fighters 15% more likely to be shot at by rats. Go get bent CCP. Seriously...



A change I'd be fine with:

Reduction in the dmg dealt by fighters to rats.
Increase fighter EHP
Make fighters have better resists to being rendered useless in PVP

To be up front on this issue.. Yes I rat in a super. I average 85mil ticks. I'm sure many do better then I do. I live in an area with frequent hot droppers, frequent gangs and other "hazards". I also have kids so I'm fairly casual. I'll run sites for an hour or so then safe up and deal with real life. I'm not hard core ratting for hours on end. I rat at best for 1.5 hours 3-4 times a week. Obviously I'm not the target problem here. But ya.... I'm tired of being the target of this ill conceived nerfs.

**** i have spent well over a year (and alot alot of isk and money) planning to do carriers finally got skills done to almost good place iv aimed a year towards this as ishtar and vni were just boring and to much afk. Carriers seemed fun more of a challenge and better for me as i wanted to get into a cap battles and move towards a mino, and use the isk from ratting to pay for the losses and skill books. I pay for my accounts and spend the isk i make in game on ships to blow up. This feels like all your doing is making pve harder to sell plex but your wrong vni and ishtar is the problem never made so much as 2 accounts ishtars ratting in havens, guess back to that then. Lower the bounties by 5% to 10% not keep weakening one ship type. Hurry up and fix assault frigs first. The people who do pve should have an aim stopping at vni now seems perfect why get any ship bigger than that for pve. (in null)

Its annoying at least say your going to do it give a month then discuss convince and then do it. IF its ratting that is the problem solve it give all caps a role bonus somehow so when the rat they get less isk the longer they rat more they get penalised but over all nerfing dps of a carriers is my problem not a supper as suppers are a little op.

Already gave my 2 cents about this topic but I'm back due to CCP Quant's response on Reddit.

Posting ludicrous numbers and later on editing the post to lower them...and even later on admitting that even the edited numbers were cherry-picked is not giving any trust-inducing vibes.

Cherry-picking is always a sign of attempting to manipulate opinions in your favor. Realizing that you ****** up but instead of doing the right thing, you go ahead and fill a post with false info is a new kind of low I never expected from CCP. It is true that they have made poor decisions about game mechanics or balance in the past, but never have I seen such an insulting behavior from them -- then again, I rarely go to forums so maybe this was the eye-opener I needed to finally lose all respect for CCP.


I would also like to point out that in his infinite wisdom, Quant used only info (even if cherry-picked) that represented supercarrier ratting, while purposefully ignoring normal carrier ticks because they were too small to cause the impact he wanted to create. While it may come as a surprise to you, CCP, most of the players affected by the nerfs are just middle-classed capital pilots all over New Eden, ratting in their normal carriers -- and these people dont come near the 270mil ticks Quant was crying about, while bravely attempting to throw himself to the "wolves" so as to take the hate away from his comrades. Nor do they get close to the later mentioned 140mil ticks that were admitted to be the real data-mined tick of a supercarrier.

While I am sure that CCP eyes will never fall on this post, let alone muster the patience to read it, I feel the need to continue, in hopes that players who bought into Quant's bullshit will read and know the actual truth.

In my best moments, my ticks are around 60-63 mil -- while on average they range from 50 to 55. That is on a Nidhoggur trained to lvl 5, with max fighter skills and all the possible dps that can be crammed in it, without the use of officer mods. From all my alliance mates that fly a carrier, I've never seen anyone break the 55mil/tick limit, even at their best. Now some would say that 63 mil ticks are a great deal of ISK and I would agree to them, if I didnt know that to get that kind of income, I need to ignore any and all other activities (including simple things like chatting, alt-tabing for small periods or even paying attention to other ingame info), while dedicating my focus completely to the site. The downside to this is that after 1-2 hours of ratting in such a way, your brain is just begging you for a reason to dock the carrier and do something else. In short... its unsustainable.
In the meantime, you have VNI and Ishtar pilots getting 20mil ticks but ratting 23/7 -- getting less ISK/tick but more ISK/day due to the effortless mechanic of drone boats.

Yet, despite all this... we, the carrier pilots... the people who actually fit in CCP's campaign of "Anti-afk-isk-making" are the ones getting punished for their inability to manage/balance their game.

Its not about the ISK, CCP. These posts are the culmination of a whole year's worth of bad decisions on your part, implementation of crap mechanics and downright stupid nerfs. And on top of that, to remove any chance at saving face, you give these changes a 4 day notice.

Its funny how yesterday I was so pumped up for the chance to buy the long craved "Hazard Control" skin for my favorite class of ship... only to conclude this day that I am done with the game. I am sorry that I have just 2 accounts to unsub, as CCP needs to be punished for their lack of respect to the people that are keeping them in business --- luckily, though, there are players with many more accounts than me who are just as outraged, and are going to do the same.

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#kickfozzie

Burn Jita, Fire CCP Fozzie.
#wewillnotbackdown
#fixSteve

Don't let the nullbears ruin carriers for everyone! Damned nullbears...

If PVE ratting is making too much money (and I can't disagree on that), then buff the rats or reduce the bounties, don't nerf carriers... How was it figured they're so strong in PVP that a 20-30% reduction is justified? 5-10%? Fine, tweak away. But this proposal is too huge.

CCP What do you want us to train for that wont get nerfed for isk generation? High sec Incursions? I mean throw us a bone here.

Good luck removing all of the quitting and ccp bashing quotes dude, this thread is almost as much of a poopstorm as the idea its discussing