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[June] Fighter Damage Reduction

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Aries Stark
Federal Beura Intel
House Raiding Comms
#1041 - 2017-06-10 02:44:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Aries Stark
Khara Hirl wrote:


Ishtars also hit 1/3rd of what a carrier can hit per tick, don't really want to hear that crap. Also the reason they work is because they are fast and the drones are good. That' what gallente focuses on for their Hacs.


yeah, ishtars also cost 1/5th of what a carrier does, so i dont really wanna hear that crap either.
RvR
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#1042 - 2017-06-10 02:45:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
MONTYJOHN wrote:


to be fair nevyn the issue lies with the fact of the lack of content to deplete the current stockpiles of isk...even with the said nerfs coming it would take years to even alleviate the proposed issue being brought forward right now.

No disagreement on that front, but the isk faucet has clearly spiked also since the carrier changes and the velocity of the isk supply increasing has gone up. So even with conflict to deplete the isk it would still be an issue and need fixing.

To the above poster RvR is not linear. Nor is it ever a good reason to keep something unbalanced in existence.
Alexksey Buldakov
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1043 - 2017-06-10 02:45:23 UTC
MONTYJOHN wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:

I'm afraid we will never see protests as a "Day of wrath"...the Gaming community is not the same,and the developers absolutely exactly the opinion of the players.

That & that a sizeable portion of the normal people on the forums actually know the nerf is needed because we understand the EVE economy and have followed the economic reports which clearly show the problem.



to be fair nevyn the issue lies with the fact of the lack of content to deplete the current stockpiles of isk...even with the said nerfs coming it would take years to even alleviate the proposed issue being brought forward right now.

the only people being affected are the players without assets and further stunts growth while the rich continue to get richer despite the nerfs due to the assets at their disposal. whats to stop them from creating more pilots to offset the nerfs.

just even more nerfs

That's the point-we need content,more content.and separate content for pilots of capitals and supers,and that would be where to spend it. (although given the number of lost super on KB can be seen that now the ISK is spent at a breakneck speed)
limited velocity
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1044 - 2017-06-10 02:48:51 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:

I'm afraid we will never see protests as a "Day of wrath"...the Gaming community is not the same,and the developers absolutely exactly the opinion of the players.

That & that a sizeable portion of the normal people on the forums actually know the nerf is needed because we understand the EVE economy and have followed the economic reports which clearly show the problem.


Seriously? you understand the EVE economy? please.... 10 years of flying around and I can tell you that you are as blind as a bat if you think this is anything more then a money grab attempt slowly taking form.

keep Drinking that coolaid about how "Goons mining and ratting" are making your eve life **** and nerfing them "tiks" will do anything more then kill the little guy trying to plex his accounts while those who can still afford to buy and sell plex inflate the prices for those poor bastards who have to grind, man gtfo with your bs
Khara Hirl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1045 - 2017-06-10 02:49:05 UTC
Aries Stark wrote:
Khara Hirl wrote:


Ishtars also hit 1/3rd of what a carrier can hit per tick, don't really want to hear that crap. Also the reason they work is because they are fast and the drones are good. That' what gallente focuses on for their Hacs.


yeah, ishtars also cost 1/5th of what a carrier does, so i dont really wanna hear that crap either.
RvR



Carriers don't make 5 times what a ishtar does because they are slower to move not because they cost 5 times more. Hell making 3 times more then an ishtar for a ship that cost 5 times more, is a nice bump up in pay to be honest.

RVR my ass, excuses excuses maybe you should stop blinging out your ships.
Khara Hirl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1046 - 2017-06-10 02:49:59 UTC
limited velocity wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:

I'm afraid we will never see protests as a "Day of wrath"...the Gaming community is not the same,and the developers absolutely exactly the opinion of the players.

That & that a sizeable portion of the normal people on the forums actually know the nerf is needed because we understand the EVE economy and have followed the economic reports which clearly show the problem.


Seriously? you understand the EVE economy? please.... 10 years of flying around and I can tell you that you are as blind as a bat if you think this is anything more then a money grab attempt slowly taking form.

keep Drinking that coolaid about how "Goons mining and ratting" are making your eve life **** and nerfing them "tiks" will do anything more then kill the little guy trying to plex his accounts while those who can still afford to buy and sell plex inflate the prices for those poor bastards who have to grind, man gtfo with your bs



Careful there your thread might end up missing some how by some mysterious force for saying this is an attempt at a cash grab.
MONTYJOHN
THE KRAKEN INC
#1047 - 2017-06-10 02:50:19 UTC
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:
MONTYJOHN wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:

I'm afraid we will never see protests as a "Day of wrath"...the Gaming community is not the same,and the developers absolutely exactly the opinion of the players.

That & that a sizeable portion of the normal people on the forums actually know the nerf is needed because we understand the EVE economy and have followed the economic reports which clearly show the problem.



to be fair nevyn the issue lies with the fact of the lack of content to deplete the current stockpiles of isk...even with the said nerfs coming it would take years to even alleviate the proposed issue being brought forward right now.

the only people being affected are the players without assets and further stunts growth while the rich continue to get richer despite the nerfs due to the assets at their disposal. whats to stop them from creating more pilots to offset the nerfs.

just even more nerfs

That's the point-we need content,more content.and separate content for pilots of capitals and supers,and that would be where to spend it. (although given the number of lost super on KB can be seen that now the ISK is spent at a breakneck speed)



the only solution i can realistically see at this point is instead of issuing a blanket dps nerf to carriers remove the 5% per level bonus from nid/than and apply a static 5% damage increase and create a new racial bonus that benefits carriers in a new way that is more condusive to a realistic compromise to the situation
Alexksey Buldakov
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1048 - 2017-06-10 02:53:46 UTC
limited velocity wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:

I'm afraid we will never see protests as a "Day of wrath"...the Gaming community is not the same,and the developers absolutely exactly the opinion of the players.

That & that a sizeable portion of the normal people on the forums actually know the nerf is needed because we understand the EVE economy and have followed the economic reports which clearly show the problem.


Seriously? you understand the EVE economy? please.... 10 years of flying around and I can tell you that you are as blind as a bat if you think this is anything more then a money grab attempt slowly taking form.

keep Drinking that coolaid about how "Goons mining and ratting" are making your eve life **** and nerfing them "tiks" will do anything more then kill the little guy trying to plex his accounts while those who can still afford to buy and sell plex inflate the prices for those poor bastards who have to grind, man gtfo with your bs

I think You are a little not adequate. In my post there is not a word about any of those things You.
But in your words I catch only a lot of pain about how You can't kill with impunity on the spot carriers and supercarriers
Alexksey Buldakov
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1049 - 2017-06-10 02:57:37 UTC
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:
limited velocity wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:

I'm afraid we will never see protests as a "Day of wrath"...the Gaming community is not the same,and the developers absolutely exactly the opinion of the players.

That & that a sizeable portion of the normal people on the forums actually know the nerf is needed because we understand the EVE economy and have followed the economic reports which clearly show the problem.


Seriously? you understand the EVE economy? please.... 10 years of flying around and I can tell you that you are as blind as a bat if you think this is anything more then a money grab attempt slowly taking form.

keep Drinking that coolaid about how "Goons mining and ratting" are making your eve life **** and nerfing them "tiks" will do anything more then kill the little guy trying to plex his accounts while those who can still afford to buy and sell plex inflate the prices for those poor bastards who have to grind, man gtfo with your bs

I think You are a little not adequate. In my post there is not a word about any of those things You.
But in your words I catch only a lot of pain about how You can't kill with impunity on the spot carriers and supercarriers

P.S.And in any case I'll be doing significantly more than You "poor" ISK/hour.Big smile
Lamajagarn McMyra
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1050 - 2017-06-10 02:58:39 UTC
Dengdeng Xiao wrote:
Lamajagarn McMyra wrote:
Kaze Mester wrote:
Lamajagarn McMyra wrote:
Don't like this change either, rather than just lowering the reward try increasing the risk. Lower the ehp to make them resonably killable by 10 battleships. Add a posibility to instantly counter a cyno, have been sugesting a targeted cynosural disruptor for a long time. With the current system you pretty much have to go afk in a ratting carrier to get caught.


Yeah...let 10 bs kill my 25b super. Great idea.


10 battleships properly fit, pirate or blops probly clocks in around 2 bil each, a total of 20 bil on field that is split up over 10 people. Compare to 10 cruisers vs a battleship, the battleship will most likely be dead in minutes. The built in stabs on the super makes it incredibly hard to catch anyways assuming the pilot ain't a complete herpaderp.

Risk free overpowered super ratting just brings us closer to suffering the fate of the chinese server.

then don't nerf the carrier, nerf the multi box players , nerf the smartbomb, nerf the 24hours ratting, they ruined the Chinese server. And they are ruining tranquility. hummmmmmm, However, CCP like em, may be they give CCP more money, yes, i'm happy to see CCP ruin itself, lets see the economic breakdown in the future.


The multiboxers keep getting nerf after nerf, just watch the rorqual changes. Carrier ratting is to click inuensive to be multiboxed/botted efficiently. Carriers and supercarriers are however very likly responsible for a large fraction of the bounties generated in null. As long as this nerf hits us all equally we might see less isk entering our wallets, said isk might however hold more value. A change like this might delay the economic breakdown, increased competition and destruction might however save us! Nothing in eve yielding high payouts should be safe or easy. :)
Aries Stark
Federal Beura Intel
House Raiding Comms
#1051 - 2017-06-10 02:59:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aries Stark
Khara Hirl wrote:
Aries Stark wrote:
Khara Hirl wrote:


Ishtars also hit 1/3rd of what a carrier can hit per tick, don't really want to hear that crap. Also the reason they work is because they are fast and the drones are good. That' what gallente focuses on for their Hacs.


yeah, ishtars also cost 1/5th of what a carrier does, so i dont really wanna hear that crap either.
RvR



Carriers don't make 5 times what a ishtar does because they are slower to move not because they cost 5 times more. Hell making 3 times more then an ishtar for a ship that cost 5 times more, is a nice bump up in pay to be honest.

RVR my ass, excuses excuses maybe you should stop blinging out your ships.



300m ishtar pulls in about 20m ticks
2b carrier pulls in about 45m ticks
25b Super pulls in about 120m ticks

seems like a fair progression to me.


Bling is irreverent to this conversation.

If production is the problem, make it easier to destroy, because those numbers look Low AF.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1052 - 2017-06-10 03:02:33 UTC
33. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel.

CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded.

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Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.
MONTYJOHN
THE KRAKEN INC
#1053 - 2017-06-10 03:02:45 UTC
Aries Stark wrote:
Khara Hirl wrote:
Aries Stark wrote:
Khara Hirl wrote:


Ishtars also hit 1/3rd of what a carrier can hit per tick, don't really want to hear that crap. Also the reason they work is because they are fast and the drones are good. That' what gallente focuses on for their Hacs.


yeah, ishtars also cost 1/5th of what a carrier does, so i dont really wanna hear that crap either.
RvR



Carriers don't make 5 times what a ishtar does because they are slower to move not because they cost 5 times more. Hell making 3 times more then an ishtar for a ship that cost 5 times more, is a nice bump up in pay to be honest.

RVR my ass, excuses excuses maybe you should stop blinging out your ships.



300m ishtar pulls in about 20m ticks
2b carrier pulls in about 45m ticks
25b Super pulls in about 120m ticks

seems like a fair progression to me.


Bling is irreverent to this conversation.




and thats just part of the problem...why would somebody invest in a carrier for ratting when you could just throw 3-4 ishtars in sites and make same/more isk for fraction of the risk involved...your not removing the current meta only just shifting it
limited velocity
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1054 - 2017-06-10 03:03:44 UTC
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:
limited velocity wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:

I'm afraid we will never see protests as a "Day of wrath"...the Gaming community is not the same,and the developers absolutely exactly the opinion of the players.

That & that a sizeable portion of the normal people on the forums actually know the nerf is needed because we understand the EVE economy and have followed the economic reports which clearly show the problem.


Seriously? you understand the EVE economy? please.... 10 years of flying around and I can tell you that you are as blind as a bat if you think this is anything more then a money grab attempt slowly taking form.

keep Drinking that coolaid about how "Goons mining and ratting" are making your eve life **** and nerfing them "tiks" will do anything more then kill the little guy trying to plex his accounts while those who can still afford to buy and sell plex inflate the prices for those poor bastards who have to grind, man gtfo with your bs

I think You are a little not adequate. In my post there is not a word about any of those things You.
But in your words I catch only a lot of pain about how You can't kill with impunity on the spot carriers and supercarriers



my statement was not directed at you or what you said it was directed at Nevyn Auscent
Alexis Crane Sharvas
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#1055 - 2017-06-10 03:04:44 UTC
Seems to me CCP just wants your money. Buy plex online sell in game for the isk, pay the monthly fee to subscribe. GG ccp. Glad I'm signing off in a couple weeks.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#1056 - 2017-06-10 03:06:29 UTC
ahem.....in light of recent news i my self is stepping up to the challenge of storing all your unwanted caps and supers until such time arise for their return.

contract your stuff to this character for safe keeping.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Alexksey Buldakov
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1057 - 2017-06-10 03:07:20 UTC
limited velocity wrote:
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:
limited velocity wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Alexksey Buldakov wrote:

I'm afraid we will never see protests as a "Day of wrath"...the Gaming community is not the same,and the developers absolutely exactly the opinion of the players.

That & that a sizeable portion of the normal people on the forums actually know the nerf is needed because we understand the EVE economy and have followed the economic reports which clearly show the problem.


Seriously? you understand the EVE economy? please.... 10 years of flying around and I can tell you that you are as blind as a bat if you think this is anything more then a money grab attempt slowly taking form.

keep Drinking that coolaid about how "Goons mining and ratting" are making your eve life **** and nerfing them "tiks" will do anything more then kill the little guy trying to plex his accounts while those who can still afford to buy and sell plex inflate the prices for those poor bastards who have to grind, man gtfo with your bs

I think You are a little not adequate. In my post there is not a word about any of those things You.
But in your words I catch only a lot of pain about how You can't kill with impunity on the spot carriers and supercarriers



my statement was not directed at you or what you said it was directed at Nevyn Auscent

Then I apologize for the misunderstanding (just had a response to my post)
MONTYJOHN
THE KRAKEN INC
#1058 - 2017-06-10 03:08:09 UTC
@ ISD Max Trix

we know ccp is watching the thread, however would it be such a hardship for a dev or even yourself if your permitted to include yourself in a constructive response to some of the realistic ideas being proposed in the thread and im not talking about the ranting going on.

some interaction from devs taking part in feed back of some of the suggestions would go a long way in brokering a better player developer relationship instead of just moderating comments with no real interaction with the player base
Lenna Volkova
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#1059 - 2017-06-10 03:08:38 UTC
Lol noone likes your stupid idea but you are gonna force it down our throats anyway. Feels wrong because it is wrong. **** you, what is wrong with you?
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1060 - 2017-06-10 03:13:11 UTC
A nice 'little' up yours to carrier/supercarrier pilots...

Been flying carriers and motherships for over 10 years... It's never a good thing to get slapped around like this but heh... EVE will survive Roll

Been around since the beginning.