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Arrendis
TK Corp
#401 - 2017-05-27 19:57:49 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I dearly hope you're not calling me a liar. We had no objective nor contract in Gehi, only an opportunity to join in on a fight. Should I start saving documentation on op announcements for you, if you have decided to start questioning the veracity of my word?


I'm not saying you're a liar. But it's certainly possible someone's not telling you everything.

Tell me the next time you shoot at NC. during these 'third party' ops.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#402 - 2017-05-27 20:05:54 UTC
Why the hell would we shoot at friends during third party ops? It's not bloody rocket surgery, woman. A timer goes up, this knowledge spreads through various organizations - especially friendly ones - and a party happens. Not everything is cloak and dagger skullduggery, you know.

Feh, you disappoint. Or perhaps more accurately, I keep forgetting and being reminded about what kind of dishonest mindset you people cultivate.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#403 - 2017-05-27 20:09:51 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Why the hell would we shoot at friends during third party ops?


If you're coming in on one side or another, Miz, you're not a third party, you're reinforcements.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#404 - 2017-05-27 20:39:12 UTC
Now this is what I was looking for. Keep on going, sisters.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#405 - 2017-05-27 20:54:36 UTC
We're mercenaries, Arrendis. When we're reinforcements, we get paid. If you'd settled for trying to claim a batphone or something like that I could have let it slide as 'close enough' kind of thing, but I guess you can't get the ~twisty narrative~ out of the goon. Every damned time I think you've grown past it, you decide to utterly mangle any confidence I had in your honesty.

Don't throw out the 'sisters' quite that easily, Elsebeth. There is nothing familiar in play here.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#406 - 2017-05-27 20:56:39 UTC
if you were shooting both involved sides, you're a third party.

if you were shooting one, but not the other, you're reinforcing one side.

if you were shooting one more than the other, you're reinforcements attempting to maintain a charade of being third party.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#407 - 2017-05-27 21:10:29 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
We're mercenaries, Arrendis. When we're reinforcements, we get paid.


No, see, when you get paid, then you're mercenaries. When you come in on a fight on one side for free, and choose your sides consistently because 'those are our friends', you're allies. In both situations, you're reinforcements. If you come into the fight and you're settled on being on one side of it, that's not being a 'third party'. You're part of one of the first two parties.

That's not narrative. That's picking a side. A third party is on their own side, and may shoot either of the first two.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#408 - 2017-05-27 21:19:03 UTC
Your intentionally loose and slapdash definitions are of little interest to me. If I consistently shoot Bleeders over Imperials, or over State forces or over Feds or whatever else, it does not make me an ally of any of them. Even friendly relations does not mean being an ally, as Circle of Two discovered up in Tribute. It simply means, "we don't shoot you". An ally on the other hand can expect our swift and steadfast support.

If everyone who shoots you are 'allies' simply because they enjoy shooting you over each other, then is there anyone in New Eden that isn't 'allied' against you?

Perhaps you should work more on getting your forces to fight commensurate to your numbers and assets instead of trying to dictate what we are, and what our objectives are.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#409 - 2017-05-27 21:27:37 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Don't throw out the 'sisters' quite that easily, Elsebeth. There is nothing familiar in play here.

I apologize for the excess familiarity. No offense meant.

That said, I have to say my definitions are a little bit the same as the above:
- if you do not care which side wins, you are a third party
- if you come in in the aid of one party, you are reinforcements
- if you come in to aid because you like one party better than the other, then you are reinforcements that are friends
- if you come in to aid because you have a pre-existing understanding that you will in such a situation, you are allied reinforcements
- if you come in to aid because you got paid for it (either in isk or other benefits) you are mercenary reinforcements

The last three cases are not mutually exclusive.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#410 - 2017-05-27 21:28:28 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Your intentionally loose and slapdash definitions


Are nothing of the sort, and you know it. I can't help it if you don't like the truth.

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If I consistently shoot Bleeders over Imperials, or over State forces or over Feds or whatever else, it does not make me an ally of any of them.


If you do it consistently, if, regardless of the odds or the situation, you side with the Imperials over the Blooders, then you are an ally of the Imperials where the Blooders are concerned. If you consistently shoot the State over the Fed, regardless of the situation or the odds, then you are an ally of the State when the Federation is involved.

A 'third party' would evaluate each fight and make different decisions based on the situations that present themselves.

Quote:
An ally on the other hand can expect our swift and steadfast support.


Like I said: Next time you ever shoot NCdot, regardless of us being there, you let me know. Next time you fail to show up when they tell you to, let me know.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#411 - 2017-05-27 21:34:30 UTC
When they tell us to? Congratulations, you just went from disingenuous to an outright ****. Why I ever thought you capable of more than this, I will never know.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#412 - 2017-05-27 21:40:04 UTC
Well, that's certainly what it looks like from here. And you've said multiple times you're not privy to the higher-level communications and decision-making in your alliance.

But ok, I can go with 'ask you to' instead if that makes you feel better.

Not that that has anything to do with whether or not you're actual third parties. Noticed you didn't have much comment on what looks like more than just my take on things, though.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#413 - 2017-05-29 15:57:54 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
The differences only matter to them and scholars. You can consider [Blood Raiders and Sani Sabik] the same and kill them the same.
Thank you for calling me a scholar, I guess? And no, you can't consider them the same. You really can't.

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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#414 - 2017-05-30 09:33:20 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
See also: why I never believe anything Lyris Nairn tells me, full stop.


Lyris is gone. She got out of the biz, extracted all her combat and industrial skills.

I miss Lyris. She was polite.

Queen of Chocolate
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#415 - 2017-05-30 12:34:00 UTC
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#416 - 2017-05-31 13:23:50 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Fabuleux wrote:
Fabuleux believes that Capsuleers are the true gods. Gods Fabuleux does not pray too, just know that exsit and can either be bringers of peace and prosperity or death and destruction.

As for the afterlife? Fabuleux is uncertain if there really is one? How does anyone know? Has anyone returned from the afterlife to tell Fabuleux about it's existence? No..None an say if there is a afterlife. Fabuelux only hopes that its Fabuleux.


Are we still gods if we can die? (We can. We do. It's not hard. It's not rare.)

Can gods retire? ( After we do, we're not likely to be any more immortal than any really rich person in this time we live in: our pseudo-immortality's a product of usually dying under ideal cloning conditions. Average capsuleer career length: about a year, I think, but that's probably old data. If someone's got updated information, please share?)

If we were gods, would we be qualified to hold such a position? (If not, it'll probably be pretty short-lived.)






... If I sound a little hostile to the idea that we're gods, well, I am. I've seen first-hand the resentment of baseline humanity towards those they perceive as immortal, even if we're all about to die together. It's not just a certain Gallentean journalist, though he was definitely noisy about it. It's nearly everyone.

We've been known, in the past, as "gods of destruction." That phrase seems to have kind of dropped out of favor, and that seems like a good thing to me. Embracing this kind of idea, even for aesthetic or marketing reasons, seems like it brings us closer, step by step, to someone deciding to practice a really proactive form of atheism:

"This day, all gods die."


I've never felt particularly godly

Queen of Chocolate
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#417 - 2017-05-31 13:39:11 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
I've never felt particularly godly


Me neither. It's an idea that keeps popping up, though even my predecessor thought it was a bad one. It doesn't seem like a notion much good can come out of.
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#418 - 2017-05-31 14:15:21 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Halcyon Ember wrote:
I've never felt particularly godly


Me neither. It's an idea that keeps popping up, though even my predecessor thought it was a bad one. It doesn't seem like a notion much good can come out of.

Whilst an inflated Ego can give people the drive to accomplish things others might find daunting, there is no doubt an upper limit on useful inflation.

Queen of Chocolate
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#419 - 2017-05-31 14:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mizhir
I don't consider myself as a god either. However I decided to just go along on Fabuleux's play. The man has an enormous passion for designing clothes and it seems like he has challenged all his creativity into designing something he considers worthy for us. So if it helps inspiring him I don't mind calling myself Goddess infront of him.

Despite. He is not the first man to have called me that. But that is another talk.

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#420 - 2017-05-31 15:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Diana Kim wrote:
Your futile trolling attempt
Can it really be called futile if you respond to it and fail to spot/answer my semi-serious question in the next post?

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