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Increasing demand results in increased price

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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2017-05-23 16:21:15 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:

In my country i have to work about 6 hours to make 10 dollars. You are privileged but too stupid to realise it, you also have a misconception that in order to make isk one needs to grind.

To answer your question, yes i can earn for a plex in one hour, my record was 2.3bil in about 2 hours. Its not something that happenes every day, i was lucky that time.


EVE is a luxury product. If you can't afford it, then don't. It's as simple as that.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#42 - 2017-05-23 22:45:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Mr Epeen wrote:
The problem with people who grow up with privilege and entitlement (Trust me. You are one of them), is that they just don't get it. When you come to realize that your decades of **** life is still a level of luxury that much of the worlds people can never attain, you'll be one step closer to being a decent person.

Insulting people because they are less well off than you through no fault but being born elsewhere is lame. The whole point of PLEX purchase with ISK is because CCP gets it. Even though you don't. This is why you see threads like this.Game time with ISK is the only option for many, so they are concerned when the price jumps.

Mr Epeen Cool


Growing up under an abusive alcoholic father and having to work full time since I was 12 to be able to eat makes me privileged? F*ck off mate. Jesus, your arrogance.

That you talk about insulting people after what you just said is very ironic though....

One more time kitten, if you can't afford to pay a few dollars per month to play a video game, you shouldn't be paying games in the first place.
Punisher Ofara
Amar Adventurers
#43 - 2017-05-23 22:52:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Punisher Ofara
You're talking about hardship!?!? Geez, I had to cook my own food since I was 19!! And I've had to work full time since graduating from college! You know nothing about a difficult life. Imagine having to tie your own shoe laces, since age 10! Try living my childhood and then come tell me that yours was hard. Did your father play lego with you? That's right, mine stopped playing with me when I turned 18, your dad is probably still building your lego cities for you.

EDIT: I think explains it perfectly how hard a childhood I had, which was surely much harder than any of you guys had. Even the ones born in caves in the Antarctic to penguin parents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#44 - 2017-05-23 22:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Punisher Ofara wrote:
You're talking about hardship!?!? Geez, I had to cook my own food since I was 19!! And I've had to work full time since graduating from college! You know nothing about a difficult life. Imagine having to tie your own shoe laces, since age 10! Try living my childhood and then come tell me that yours was hard. Did your father play lego with you? That's right, mine stopped playing with me when I turned 18, your dad is probably still building your lego cities for you.

EDIT: I think explains it perfectly how hard a childhood I had, which was surely much harder than any of you guys had. Even the ones born in caves in the Antarctic to penguin parents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo


1/10, troll harder plz
Pix Severus
Empty You
#45 - 2017-05-23 23:07:21 UTC
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Joan Maetsuycker
V.O.C. Bensdorp
#46 - 2017-05-24 14:21:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Maetsuycker
The alpha account is for people that cannot afford or don't want a subscription.
When you can afford a subscription I cannot see the wisdom in it why you would Plex your account.

maybe Plex goes 30% up in cost of earning Isk that means for people that were able to plex 12 time can do only 9 times and must then buy a 3 month gametime that is $39,00 for a year Omega, that is still a bargain for a game you like to play
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#47 - 2017-05-25 03:01:57 UTC
If CCP wants to drive up plex prices in the hopes of more real $$ subs, then that's their call. Without real $$ the game ends for everyone.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Kaeden 3142
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#48 - 2017-05-25 06:22:25 UTC
I think for CCP this change has worked well for them. The devaluation of in- game ISK would disrupt RMT market model.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#49 - 2017-05-25 06:28:34 UTC
Everything you want to now about PLEX:

Fanfest 2014 - Economy: Into the Second Decade

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Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2017-05-25 11:01:18 UTC
Lfod Shi wrote:
If CCP wants to drive up plex prices in the hopes of more real $$ subs, then that's their call. Without real $$ the game ends for everyone.


Learn how plex works please
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#51 - 2017-05-25 11:51:02 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Lfod Shi wrote:
If CCP wants to drive up plex prices in the hopes of more real $$ subs, then that's their call. Without real $$ the game ends for everyone.


Learn how plex works please


I know how it works. I also know how business works.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2017-05-25 12:32:35 UTC
Lfod Shi wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Lfod Shi wrote:
If CCP wants to drive up plex prices in the hopes of more real $$ subs, then that's their call. Without real $$ the game ends for everyone.


Learn how plex works please


I know how it works. I also know how business works.


An account subbed with PLEX bring in more money than an account subbed with direct subscription.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#53 - 2017-05-25 12:39:32 UTC
Salvos Rhoska
#54 - 2017-05-25 12:41:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Frostys Virpio wrote:
An account subbed with PLEX bring in more money than an account subbed with direct subscription.


I get what you mean to say, but the above is not correct.

An account subbed with PLEX brings in zero money.

Only purchase of PLEX from CCP brings in money, or subbing directly.

That PLEX is used to purchase various services ingame, in no case earns CCP even a cent.



Back when Aurum existed and was bought from CCP, and used for purchase of secondary content, the above was different.

Now that it is all PLEX based, CCP infact stands to lose money as people with PLEX stockpiles use those instead of Aurum.

PLEX to Aurum conversion was awkward before, now that obstacle no longer exists.

Players with PLEX stockpiles can now access the EVE store directly, with the Aurum wealth translated directly into PLEX.

TLDR: With the translation of Aurum into PLEX, and division of PLEX, PLEX stockpilers can now directly access the store without conversion problems, essentially subjugating CCPs store to the price of PLEX ingame (largely) exclusively in terms of ingame purchases of EVE store items.

TLDR2: The higher the price of PLEX ingame, the less demand there will be for EVE store items (whereas before it was Aurum and separate) as most players focus their PLEX use on subs or translating their cash bought PLEX into isk.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2017-05-25 12:53:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
An account subbed with PLEX bring in more money than an account subbed with direct subscription.


I get what you mean to say, but the above is not correct.

An account subbed with PLEX brings in zero money.

Only purchase of PLEX from CCP brings in money, or subbing directly.

That PLEX is used to purchase various services ingame, in no case earns CCP even a cent.



Frostys is right. someone has to buy the PLEX in the 1st place, this means that an account subbed with plex represents more actual money to CCP than an account subbed any other way.

Also, the way CCPs accounting works, the income is not actually added to their books until the PLEX is consumed. So in a very real sense, as soon as someone clicks the button to activate the plex, CCP receives bacon (cash).

The reason people explain (and constantly have to re-explain) the fact that PLEX makes CCP more money than other forums of subscribing is because so many people demonstrate that they don't get it. They think that somehow them using PLEX is costing CCP money because they aren't personally giving CCP any money, when (again) PLEX use means MORE money for CCP.

All of the stupid "CCP is manipulating PLEX" conspiracy stuff comes from this basic misunderstanding.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#56 - 2017-05-25 12:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
There are two phases of life of the PLEX. First, its purchased from CCP and then it is removed from game in exchange for stuff.

These are things that make PLEX price grow:

More PLEX leaving economy results in more demand for it.

Less PLEX purchased results in more demand for it.

Creating PLEX fund for allocation of wealth results in more demand for it, as its removing PLEX for a time from the economy.
Salvos Rhoska
#57 - 2017-05-25 13:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Jenn aSide wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
An account subbed with PLEX bring in more money than an account subbed with direct subscription.


I get what you mean to say, but the above is not correct.

An account subbed with PLEX brings in zero money.

Only purchase of PLEX from CCP brings in money, or subbing directly.

That PLEX is used to purchase various services ingame, in no case earns CCP even a cent.



Frostys is right. someone has to buy the PLEX in the 1st place, this means that an account subbed with plex represents more actual money to CCP than an account subbed any other way.

Also, the way CCPs accounting works, the income is not actually added to their books until the PLEX is consumed. So in a very real sense, as soon as someone clicks the button to activate the plex, CCP receives bacon (cash).

The reason people explain (and constantly have to re-explain) the fact that PLEX makes CCP more money than other forums of subscribing is because so many people demonstrate that they don't get it. They think that somehow them using PLEX is costing CCP money because they aren't personally giving CCP any money, when (again) PLEX use means MORE money for CCP.

All of the stupid "CCP is manipulating PLEX" conspiracy stuff comes from this basic misunderstanding.


AURUM used to be the currency of the EVE store.
Now, it is all PLEX.

Frostys was literally wrong.

An account subbed by PLEX earns CCP nothing.
Only the purchase of that PLEX from CCP earns them.
When someone expends 500 PLEX to purchase time, CCP earns nothing, except a tiny swing in the market to incentivize another PLEX purchase from them.

They dont earn from people using PLEX.
They earn from people buying them from CCP.


The ingame value of PLEX subbing AND secondary EVE store purchases, now is entirely subservient to the value of PLEX ingame in isk.

PLEX stockpilers now hold CCP by the balls as to the incentive for players to purchase PLEX ingame, or without, as a factor of its ingame value.

If they withhold PLEX, CCPs incomes goes up. If they dump PLEX, CCPs income goes down.

Its a fantastic metagaming of CCP itself.
PLEX rich now not only define the market, they also define CCPs income.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2017-05-25 13:34:45 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
An account subbed with PLEX bring in more money than an account subbed with direct subscription.


I get what you mean to say, but the above is not correct.

An account subbed with PLEX brings in zero money.

Only purchase of PLEX from CCP brings in money, or subbing directly.

That PLEX is used to purchase various services ingame, in no case earns CCP even a cent.



Frostys is right. someone has to buy the PLEX in the 1st place, this means that an account subbed with plex represents more actual money to CCP than an account subbed any other way.

Also, the way CCPs accounting works, the income is not actually added to their books until the PLEX is consumed. So in a very real sense, as soon as someone clicks the button to activate the plex, CCP receives bacon (cash).

The reason people explain (and constantly have to re-explain) the fact that PLEX makes CCP more money than other forums of subscribing is because so many people demonstrate that they don't get it. They think that somehow them using PLEX is costing CCP money because they aren't personally giving CCP any money, when (again) PLEX use means MORE money for CCP.

All of the stupid "CCP is manipulating PLEX" conspiracy stuff comes from this basic misunderstanding.


AURUM used to be the currency of the EVE store.
Now, it is all PLEX.

Frostys was literally wrong.

An account subbed by PLEX earns CCP nothing.
Only the purchase of that PLEX from CCP earns them.
When someone expends 500 PLEX to purchase time, CCP earns nothing, except a tiny swing in the market to incentivize another PLEX purchase from them.

They dont earn from people using PLEX.
They earn from people buying them from CCP.


The ingame value of PLEX subbing AND secondary EVE store purchases, now is entirely subservient to the value of PLEX ingame in isk.

PLEX stockpilers now hold CCP by the balls as to the incentive for players to purchase PLEX ingame, or without, as a factor of its ingame value.

If they withhold, CCP incomes goes up. If they dump, CCPs income goes down.


In the books, the money is not written as earned as long as the PLEX has not been used on whatever service you want to use it, be it sub, character services or the store for some fancy glasses.

At the end of the day, PLEX is a currency. It's like transferring your euros to USD except in the case of PLEX, you can't transfer back to the previous currency and this particular currency happen to be of nil value outside of CCP's product offering.

CCP only "earn" your money when the PLEX are used. All hoarded PLEX are still pending usage for the associated money to become "income" by CCP.
Salvos Rhoska
#59 - 2017-05-25 13:44:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Frostys Virpio wrote:
CCP only "earn" your money when the PLEX are used. All hoarded PLEX are still pending usage for the associated money to become "income" by CCP.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Also, the way CCPs accounting works, the income is not actually added to their books until the PLEX is consumed. So in a very real sense, as soon as someone clicks the button to activate the plex, CCP receives bacon (cash).


Yes.

Ergo: CCPs earnings are sitting in PLEX stockpilers pockets and dependant on their actions.

Stockpilers control the ingame PLEX market via isk, and by extension, CCP's earning via cash.
1) If they withhold PLEX, CCP's income goes up, as supply decreases and incentive to sub/buy PLEX increases.
2) If they dump PLEX, CCP's income goes down, as supply increases and incentive to sub/buy PLEX decreases.

He whom controls the PLEX, controls EVE.

Shareholders may have control of CCP, but PLEX stockpilers control CCP's income.
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#60 - 2017-05-25 13:50:45 UTC
For clarification: When I said "real $$ sub" I assumed people would understand that buying plex with real $$ was included in that statement.

Silly me. I know better than to assume anything.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫