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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#321 - 2017-05-20 16:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Halcyon Ember wrote:
To explain fully what it is that disappoints me would reveal too much of myself, something I see no good reason to do. Simply put, when you respond to him in the fashion that you do, you make of yourself his victim. This is what a narcissist such as Nauplius craves. The attention of the masses is simply a happy byproduct.


There's more here than victimhood. ... which doesn't seem like it applies so much, if I don't see myself that way.

There's something I want from him: the lives in his hands. (Also his temple out from its orbit around my homeworld, but that's likely to happen pretty soon anyway.) There are things he wants from me, too; I don't actually think my suffering's one, even if he sometimes gets that. If he did, it wouldn't matter very much to me. It would change the context a little, though.

I'm just a figment in this world, Ms. Ember. ... like any of us. Only, a little unusually, I'm aware of it. I carry my own life lightly.

I'm not ... helpless. But a part of what I do with Mr. Nauplius is a matter of honor, and honesty, and even trust. Part of that is that I don't hide my intentions, or my feelings. If he wants my anger, or my hurt, he can have those. He can have my slightly-uneasy trust, too, and my admiration for his own kind-of-strange integrity. And even my sympathy-- it's an awful god he serves, an awful universe he sees with his waking eyes.

I wish I could show him a better one-- for his sake, and that of those at his mercy. So, he also gets a little of my hope, however frail it might be.

He can't have my hate. ... at least not for long. That's not something I give so easily.

If I come away now and then with a few unlucky people who stood to suffer more than I was ever at any risk of, I count the trade worthwhile.
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#322 - 2017-05-20 16:49:41 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Quite, in much the same way that the classical Amarr aquiline nose enabled their priests to more easily lead them around, and thus enabled greater social cohesion.

So it's my nose that led me astray?

Queen of Chocolate

Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#323 - 2017-05-20 16:52:49 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Halcyon Ember wrote:
To explain fully what it is that disappoints me would reveal too much of myself, something I see no good reason to do. Simply put, when you respond to him in the fashion that you do, you make of yourself his victim. This is what a narcissist such as Nauplius craves. The attention of the masses is simply a happy byproduct.


There's more here than victimhood. ... which doesn't seem like it applies so much, if I don't see myself that way.

There's something I want from him: the lives in his hands. (Also his temple out from its orbit around my homeworld, but that's likely to happen pretty soon anyway.) There are things he wants from me, too; I don't actually think my suffering's one, even if he sometimes gets that. If he did, it wouldn't matter very much to me. It would change the context a little, though.

I'm just a figment in this world, Ms. Ember. ... like any of us. Only, a little unusually, I'm aware of it. I carry my own life lightly.

I'm not ... helpless. But a part of what I do with Mr. Nauplius is a matter of honor, and honesty, and even trust. Part of that is that I don't hide my intentions, or my feelings. If he wants my anger, or my hurt, he can have those. He can have my slightly-uneasy trust, too, and my admiration for his own kind-of-strange integrity. And even my sympathy-- it's an awful god he serves, an awful universe he sees with his waking eyes.

I wish I could show him a better one-- for his sake, and that of those at his mercy. So, he also gets a little of my hope, however frail it might be.

He can't have my hate. ... at least not for long. That's not something I give so easily.

If I come away now and then with a few unlucky people who stood to suffer more than I was ever at any risk of, I count the trade worthwhile.


I understand where you're coming from. I lack the means to enlighten you as to where I'm coming from. You'll do as you will and carry the hurts that you suffer. You'll be educated by the abuse you receive. I hope you value the lesson, hard won as it will be.

Queen of Chocolate

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#324 - 2017-05-20 17:31:59 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
I understand where you're coming from. I lack the means to enlighten you as to where I'm coming from. You'll do as you will and carry the hurts that you suffer. You'll be educated by the abuse you receive. I hope you value the lesson, hard won as it will be.

I accept whatever lessons may come, Ms. Ember. Pain is expected. And disappointment. And doubt. And loss.

I won't live in fear of these, but I do proceed with eyes open.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#325 - 2017-05-20 23:30:41 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Your understanding of fine beverage technologies of production seems to be several millennia out of date. But that is neither here nor there and we are certainly far off topic at this point. I would apologize to the original poster for the derailment if she weren't a Sani Sabik cultist.


Just going out on a limb here, but 'your grasp of technology is millennia out of date'... when discussing a thousand-tear old whiskey... ironic, no?

You're right about the off-topic nature of it, though! et voila!
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#326 - 2017-05-20 23:52:32 UTC
Not exactly ironic, since I was talking about a millennium old beverage, while your understanding of the limitations of alcohol production reads like something written well before the moral reforms, hence the plural.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Arrendis
TK Corp
#327 - 2017-05-21 01:56:07 UTC
It's really less about the 'limitations of alcohol processing', and more about the fact that how you make it is what makes a whiskey, especially any of the bourbon varieties. Once you change that... you're not making the same thing anymore.

It would be like calling a malt a beer.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#328 - 2017-05-21 02:02:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri
Arrendis wrote:
It's really less about the 'limitations of alcohol processing', and more about the fact that how you make it is what makes a whiskey, especially any of the bourbon varieties. Once you change that... you're not making the same thing anymore.

It would be like calling a malt a beer.


Indeed, hence the comment that Cognac was a bad translation. I can guarantee you that a Lok'ri Estate Ancient is a drink that cannot be created or surpassed in less than a millennium.

And I wouldn't touch whiskey or bourbon with a fifty foot pole. I own vineyards, not wheat or corn fields.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Arrendis
TK Corp
#329 - 2017-05-21 02:39:18 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

Indeed, hence the comment that Cognac was a bad translation. I can guarantee you that a Lok'ri Estate Ancient is a drink that cannot be created or surpassed in less than a millennium.

And I wouldn't touch whiskey or bourbon with a fifty foot pole. I own vineyards, not wheat or corn fields.


The same general statement can be said of brandies, too. But as you say, cognac was a bad translation.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#330 - 2017-05-21 03:23:38 UTC
Indeed, though a Lok'ri Ancient is an aged distillation from grapes, which Is why the translation goes with "Cognac." The fact that Amarr distillers have figured out how to take advantage of a significantly longer aging period is part of why our products are unmatched.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#331 - 2017-05-21 03:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mizhara Del'thul
Someone's never tried a snifter of engine degreaser. A cheeky little vintage dating back to night before last, aged nicely in an oil pan. Mmm. That fragrant aroma you get a hint off before it shuts down your olfactory senses, that lovely complexity of flavors you'd surely explore with joy if you weren't too busy fighting off both your survival instincts and gag reflexes to notice. Pairs wonderfully with solvent fumes, I hear.

On a serious note, the Gripdjur aren't exactly famed for the distilleries, but I'll pit our clan brew - be it beer or meads - against your equivalents any time. The blend of old rediscovered craftsmanship with the finest Sebiestor engineering on the continent (bloody come at me, Elsebeth) and what may as well be eldritch sorcery from the nanotech and microbiology scientists has yet to be matched.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#332 - 2017-05-21 06:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
On a serious note, the Gripdjur aren't exactly famed for the distilleries, but I'll pit our clan brew - be it beer or meads - against your equivalents any time. The blend of old rediscovered craftsmanship with the finest Sebiestor engineering on the continent (bloody come at me, Elsebeth) and what may as well be eldritch sorcery from the nanotech and microbiology scientists has yet to be matched.


Even leaving out rediscovered craftsmanship, it seems a little likely that pretty much everything the Amarr knew about brewing, the Matari now also know.

Probably the opposite is sometimes also true, but it seems like that might only be in a few places...?
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#333 - 2017-05-21 06:26:00 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Someone's never tried a snifter of engine degreaser. A cheeky little vintage dating back to night before last, aged nicely in an oil pan. Mmm. That fragrant aroma you get a hint off before it shuts down your olfactory senses, that lovely complexity of flavors you'd surely explore with joy if you weren't too busy fighting off both your survival instincts and gag reflexes to notice. Pairs wonderfully with solvent fumes, I hear.

On a serious note, the Gripdjur aren't exactly famed for the distilleries, but I'll pit our clan brew - be it beer or meads - against your equivalents any time. The blend of old rediscovered craftsmanship with the finest Sebiestor engineering on the continent (bloody come at me, Elsebeth) and what may as well be eldritch sorcery from the nanotech and microbiology scientists has yet to be matched.


"Beer or meads" is all I need to hear to know that the Lok'ri Orisian estates are an order of magnitude or three better quality booze than the nonsense you are describing. A taste of Lok'ri Extra Ancient and you will never want to touch a grain or honey based drink again.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#334 - 2017-05-21 06:30:30 UTC
Miz? My lord?

Maybe it would be interesting to have a battle between Amarr and Matari nobody has to die at?

(... unless it's of alcohol poisoning ...)

Pretty sure it's a subject that'd inspire wide interest, and not just from the usual parties.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#335 - 2017-05-21 09:15:26 UTC
You punks miss the whole idea of thousand-year-old alcoholic beverages.

The point is not that it tastes good, or is super strong, or whatever, because it probably isn't.

The point is that it is irreplaceable, and demonstrates that the owner has the wealth and prestige, to be able to afford a beverage storage room large enough and well-engineered enough, to be able to keep beverage bottles and barrels in drinkable condition for thousands of years.

It's like wearing a dress that pre-dates Amarr space travel. it probably won't flatter your figure, or look particularly fancy, but the point is that you own it, demonstrating a level of wealth and prestige that puts social upstarts in their place. "Oh, my dress is older than your Holding", and so on.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#336 - 2017-05-21 10:14:53 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

"Beer or meads" is all I need to hear to know that the Lok'ri Orisian estates are an order of magnitude or three better quality booze than the nonsense you are describing. A taste of Lok'ri Extra Ancient and you will never want to touch a grain or honey based drink again.


Well, I'd offer you some Hug Juice, but I don't really think you can handle the sheer amazingness of it. I brought a jug to the Order of Jamyl fortizar in Safiron once, but none of the three Amarr in the room (Mitara, Aldrith, and Lyse) had the courage to try.

It's not Mizhara's engine degreaser... but it is illegal in all four empires for internal consumption. We make it on Huggar station, and last I checked, it's marketed as an industrial cleanser. So there are similarities... though of course, we age Hug Juice very carefully for six weeks in the finest handcrafted bilge pump outflow tanks.
Haru'kai Vidaraltyr
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#337 - 2017-05-21 10:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Haru'kai Vidaraltyr
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:

On a serious note, the Gripdjur aren't exactly famed for the distilleries, but I'll pit our clan brew - be it beer or meads - against your equivalents any time. The blend of old rediscovered craftsmanship with the finest Sebiestor engineering on the continent (bloody come at me, Elsebeth) and what may as well be eldritch sorcery from the nanotech and microbiology scientists has yet to be matched.


Have you tried araka? The quick fermentation of milk from the single-toed ungulates found on the edge of the north Sobaki (tabuni in our dialect - I think the nearest common-experience species is horse) results in a mild, very social beer-like concoction. It has lots of names - among the Vidaraltyr it's known as tsegee. Takes about a day, depending on the length of the ride (the milk is put in tabuni skins, slung over the saddle and the motion swills the drink around so it ferments rather than coagulates. If you ride like a warrior, you end the day with alcoholic pleasure for the camp fires. If you ride like a farmer, you get butter).

The elders of the clan have the right and knowledge to distill this into araka, a very much more fiery beverage that requires a sharp winter and quite some courage. The name is reputed to be onomatopoeic in origin, being the hacking, coughing sound the newly initiated make on first consumption. Like most good booze, it gets smoother the more you drink.

Unlike tsegee, it travels very well and when our clan began to trade across the seas, the drink became almost mystical. It also helped significantly in 'enhancing' trade deals with the Brutor of the Mioar islands, so the gift of a bottle is seen as a very generous blessing for a colleague or kinsman.

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#338 - 2017-05-21 10:25:53 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
You punks miss the whole idea of thousand-year-old alcoholic beverages.

The point is not that it tastes good, or is super strong, or whatever, because it probably isn't.

The point is that it is irreplaceable, and demonstrates that the owner has the wealth and prestige, to be able to afford a beverage storage room large enough and well-engineered enough, to be able to keep beverage bottles and barrels in drinkable condition for thousands of years.


Eh, if I wanna get pretentious like that, a thousand-year beverage is nothing. I can head on down to any of a hundred fat asteroids within a few jumps of me and drink four-billion-year-old water. Complete with natural minerals and painstakingly left completely unspoiled by the touch of modern technology. It's preserved exactly the way our ancestors swam in it when they were fish. We Matari even have a special word for the special, ultra-traditional blend of life-sustaining fluid and precise minerals, carefully stored in the original packaging since before life as we know it existed!

We call it "Dirty".

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#339 - 2017-05-21 13:05:04 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
[..]Or that he's been staring longingly into the eyes of Aria's portrait.
I can't really fault him for that. And I'm sure there's worse things he could be doing.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#340 - 2017-05-22 01:43:16 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

"Beer or meads" is all I need to hear to know that the Lok'ri Orisian estates are an order of magnitude or three better quality booze than the nonsense you are describing. A taste of Lok'ri Extra Ancient and you will never want to touch a grain or honey based drink again.


Well, I'd offer you some Hug Juice, but I don't really think you can handle the sheer amazingness of it. I brought a jug to the Order of Jamyl fortizar in Safiron once, but none of the three Amarr in the room (Mitara, Aldrith, and Lyse) had the courage to try.

It's not Mizhara's engine degreaser... but it is illegal in all four empires for internal consumption. We make it on Huggar station, and last I checked, it's marketed as an industrial cleanser. So there are similarities... though of course, we age Hug Juice very carefully for six weeks in the finest handcrafted bilge pump outflow tanks.


There's always this brew that tastes like anti-freeze with some hops in it during the Winter Solstice festival. Yes, I had tasted actual anti-freeze before, and before you ask, I didn't chug the whole thing down. A couple drops touched my lips, that's all.

What my Clan is actually obsessed with, however, is coffee. We have this one portion in Hydroponics specifically dedicated to coffee and, funnily enough, one of my assignments for the Clan beyond the occasional shipments of off-world materials and being around looking frumpy during negotiations, is to catalogue coffee.

However, I hadn't really been diligent at this.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.