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Forming the Strategic Cruiser Focus Group

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Ivo Cortes
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#101 - 2017-05-20 22:30:40 UTC
I would like to participate in this focus group because I believe I am very skilled at cloaked T3-Cruiser gameplay for scouting, scanning recon, and black ops hunter.

I am highly experienced in using Black Ops in a small-scale environment. For this purpose I have a T3 cruiser with a dedicated pilot who acts as my scout, cyno, and hunter. She is always kept around since having a T3 over a regular scanning ship brings many advantages and is very powerful. For instance, it can act as a platform to provide intel, to tackle targets indefinitely, or to provide crucial probing capabilities.

While I do have experience using a T3 in pvp fleet fights in both WHs and nullsec, I would like to stress that this is not what I regularly use a T3 for. My use for T3s is a niche and I deem it crucial for the health of the game to continue to have expensive scouts, intel platforms, probers and tacklers bundled together in one high end ship with many options to modify.

To conclude, I think I am best suited for this focus group because the development team should profit from my skillset in this particular area. I want the T3s to keep their 'general purpose' spirit and therefore cover the described area.
Aleverette
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#102 - 2017-05-21 03:08:52 UTC
Invite assault frigates!
Germaq
Heretic Army
#103 - 2017-05-21 03:15:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Germaq
I'd like to be part of this focus group. I have experience with T3s in small and large fleets, in both low and nullsec. I've hunted, explored, used one in nullsec PvE and highsec PvE. I've also run large T3 fleets. Most of my PVP experience is with a web Loki or FCing from a T3, but I also have Tengu and Legion experience and understand the overall T3 world.

I'm particularly interested in the support T3 roles (tackle Proteus, web Loki, ECM Tengu, neut Legion, etc.). I have slack active, can use it and speak English.
Sarwar Nazar
Legend of the Galactic Heroes
#104 - 2017-05-21 07:18:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarwar Nazar
Old Pervert wrote:
Sarwar Nazar wrote:
I don't like the changes related to T3. Why not balancing T3 between each other. For example, Tangu with HAM can choose better damage against anything while Legion can only do em/th with energy weapon and less damage. Legion can only fight affectively against Sansha rats with main pulse laser but when it get tracking disruption your weapon range will become like 1000km and can't do a **** against the rats. However, Tangu HAM has no problem with tracking disruption because missiles is ******* op. Please make each T3 good and useful against certain faction rats so that it stop everyone to choose Tangu.


I have a better idea.

Burn them down to the ground. All of them, all of their stats.

The problem is not and never has been that some T3s excel in some areas better than others, it has been that T3s excel in every area over every other ship in the game, save for a very select few roles.

Something that is supposed to be a jack of all trades but master of none should be a jack of all trades and a master of none.

If they're heavily tanked, their DPS should suck. If they're nice and ganky, their tank should suck. If they're cloaky, they should have ****** dps. If they're nullified, they should have ****** tank.

But Legion is been like this: heavily tanked while its dps is **** because its armour fit. However, Tangu is a master of all, that is why everyone are using it. besides if you want a good pvp T3, you need to spend over 1b isk for the fit. Because of this, not everyone want to risk it in pvp situation.
Mar5hy
BLOPSEC
#105 - 2017-05-21 11:21:12 UTC
Hey,

I'm a HK and FC for the NPSI community "Bombers Bar". I use the tengu / proteus as a hunter killer in many unique ways.

I would love to have a say on behalf of our NPSI community as to what happens to them.

Thanks
Mar5hy
Lugh Crow-Slave
#106 - 2017-05-21 14:10:38 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Rly? you plan to break another part of working well game?


he knows we are talking about T3s right?
Icarus Narcissus
Pathway to the Next
The Revenant Order
#107 - 2017-05-21 15:31:51 UTC
Hello Team Five 0, as a T3 producer and user, I am very interested in being part of this focus group.

As a tech 3 cruiser user, I do various activities Exploration, Wormhole Space Site Running, Brawling PvP, Cloaky PvP, and kiting PvP.

As a tech 3 cruiser producer, I can provide an additional viewpoint of what impact these changes can cause to wormhole space's PvE landscape.


Maxwell DuSmart
Duendes Merodeadores
#108 - 2017-05-21 18:38:24 UTC
I think I'm not entitled to be included in the Focus Group. However I would like to suggest to focus the changes on the key strength around which the ship design revolves: flexibility and versatility.

The ability to be almost anything, in a reasonable amount of time (minutes), is a unique feature. Sometimes you need exactly that, a Swiss Army knife.

Iterate and improve on this. Things like a dedicated Subsystem cargo bay, being able to refit without a mobile depot (with usual restrictions), and "utility features" of the like would boost the unique gameplay factor and vastly improve the experience of us, the "swiss army knife" guys, without making the class overpowered.
Chocolate Pickle
V.O.I.D.
#109 - 2017-05-22 03:29:59 UTC
I'm a relative nobody, but still going to throw my hat into the ring.

I use T3Cs for PVP and PVE. Primarily lowsec based. Small and large fleets. Low-effort gatecamps. I do missions and sites in lowsec because it's easier to not worried about being highsec capable. Also involved with T3C production on some alts.

The problem I see with T3Cs conceptually is that grouping subsystems by offensive, defensive, etc. just leads to people picking subsystems that synergize way too well. Reducing the range/diversity of subsystem won't fundamentally fix problems with the class.

Based on what I saw from the Fanfest presentations, I expect one of two things will happen;

  1. The changes will do nothing substantial, and T3Cs continue being over-represented,
  2. Heavy-handed nerfs will be applied, reducing T3Cs to irrelevancy, and screwing with w-space income.


Am a Slack nerd. I use Slack to manage an IRL amateur sporting organisation. Longtime #tweetfleet lurker.

Don't pick me if you want a yes-man.
Titus Tallang
EVE University
Ivy League
#110 - 2017-05-22 08:31:35 UTC
Sign me up.

I'm one of the primary fittings wizards for the E-UNI wormhole campus (C2 low-class wspace), so I bring a perspective from a somewhat unique area where we don't really care about abnormally sized buffer.

PS: I was (am) also in the capitals FG, so I kinda know how this stuff works already.

Director of Education - EVE University - http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/

Ramius Decimus
Dominion Fleet
#111 - 2017-05-22 23:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramius Decimus
Maxwell DuSmart wrote:
I think I'm not entitled to be included in the Focus Group. However I would like to suggest to focus the changes on the key strength around which the ship design revolves: flexibility and versatility.

The ability to be almost anything, in a reasonable amount of time (minutes), is a unique feature. Sometimes you need exactly that, a Swiss Army knife.

Iterate and improve on this. Things like a dedicated Subsystem cargo bay, being able to refit without a mobile depot (with usual restrictions), and "utility features" of the like would boost the unique gameplay factor and vastly improve the experience of us, the "swiss army knife" guys, without making the class overpowered.


I concur with Maxwell DuSmart's points. Hope to see this group focus on general improvement of the Tech III cruisers with the goal of maintaining their flexibility and versatility; I absolutely abhor the idea of a major overhaul turning these cruisers into bigger 'tactical destroyers'.

I would like to be part of this Focus Group but I honestly haven't done anything spectacular with my Strategic Cruisers yet besides all-encompassing PvE (although given years of experience could consider myself an expert in that at least) albeit I do aspire to delve into PvP with them in the near future.

Idea

Rear Admiral

Commander-in-Chief

90th Fleet

Caldari Navy

Mawderator
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#112 - 2017-05-23 17:21:38 UTC
If invited to the upcoming focus group, I would be an asset for the following reasons:

I currently use T3Cs in every terrain excluding high security space. I am active in groups that use these hulls all the way from solo, up to lowsec and nullsec fleet combat. In the past I've created niche tournament fits that were used to secure match wins. My specialty is looking at the implementation of new mechanics, modules, hulls and seeing how they interact at every scale from solo up to tidi-scale fleet combat. In order to accomplish this, I frequent the test server and use EFT/PYFA damage graphs to look for optimal builds for whatever scale of composition and use case I'm building. Any design implementation or mechanics I would put forth as a member of this group would be tested to ensure that they have healthy counterplay and are in line with your design goals for these hulls.

Thank you for your consideration.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#113 - 2017-05-23 17:53:44 UTC
I'd like to sign up to toss my pennies around on these ships.

I have experience with T3C from the dark days of the super drake (tengu from drakefleet days) right up to today's AHAC fleets. Flown with them in both large and small fleets and in a range of roles from DPS to tackle to logi and E-war support. I want to look at this rebalance from the view of the other ships as well as getting a few improvements to T3C (mostly getting them to be actually adaptable on the fly). Primary goal I have is to get T3C down to the level of cruisers and ensure they do not overpower the t2 cruiser "specialists".
Old Pervert
Perkone
Caldari State
#114 - 2017-05-23 19:34:50 UTC
Sarwar Nazar wrote:
But Legion is been like this: heavily tanked while its dps is **** because its armour fit. However, Tangu is a master of all, that is why everyone are using it. besides if you want a good pvp T3, you need to spend over 1b isk for the fit. Because of this, not everyone want to risk it in pvp situation.


Fair enough. You spend a billion isk on a T3C, I'll spend a billion isk on a battleship. Then we'll compare them in the following metrics:

1) Survivability in PVP (spoiler: the T3C will win, be it against the BS or against pretty much any other solo target)
2) PVE ticks (spoiler: the T3C will win, given that you can solo 10/10s with a single T3C and if a battleship can do it at all, it will be with warpouts)
3) Utility in PVP (spoiler: the T3C is BUILT for utility, though this is by design)
4) Mobility (spoiler: ...sigh, you get it already...)

There is one and only one metric where a battleship will beat a T3C, and that is raw damage against a sufficiently large target.

That the Tengu excels more than the other T3Cs is a red herring; ALL T3Cs excel over virtually all other ships.

Burn them to the ground.
Smitty Uitra
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#115 - 2017-05-24 04:49:31 UTC
Looks like I'm fashionable late to inviting myself to this shindig.
I have had experience flying all 4 strategic cruisers in hi sec, low sec, wormholes and now in null. I've used them in small gang, large fights, solo and pve. I'm a big believer of "if it isn't broke, don't fix it.". I think that there are a few things that need to be fixed with them but for the most part they are right where they should be. I also already have slack.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#116 - 2017-05-24 15:56:42 UTC
Thanks to everyone who has applied so far.

We are currently planning on announcing the initial focus group membership this upcoming Friday, so if anyone else wants to apply please do so within the next day or so.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie

Omnathious Deninard
Ministry of Silly Walks.
Parasitic Legion.
#117 - 2017-05-25 11:52:39 UTC
I have been waiting for this focus group for what seems like forever.
I used my T3 for exploration. While I am not as active as I used to be, I would like to toss in my ideas.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Bei ArtJay
Side Kicks
Trigger Happy.
#118 - 2017-05-25 15:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Bei ArtJay
Hey there!

Please consider my application to be in the T3 Strategic Cruiser Focus Group.

Game design balance is something I massivley enjoy and have spent many, many hours creating and designing Eve Online tournaments for EVE_NT and other projects using basic game design principles that I have taught myself. I would relish the opportunity to be a part of a team that gives feedback on targeted proposed changes from a player perspective. When necessary I can communicate concisely and effectively as part of a team or on a one to one basis and enjoy reading about, and commenting on Eve Online. I would like to think I have an open mind and whilst I certainty have opinions, I try not to approach discussions with a personal agenda.

I have played eve online quite actively for over 7 years and flown Tech 3 Cruisers on many many occasions in a variety of roles including the following;

As a 'go to ship' for wormhole combat when living in class 2-5 WH's, flying on a daily basis in carious configurations, mainly as an FC in a Loki.
As hunter-killer covert ops ships in both WH space and Nullsec.
As a lowsec gate-camper for a small pirate gang.
Fleet combat in nullesc - Loki artillery fleets, Tengu Rail/Missile fleets, Proteus/Legion a-hac style fleets.
Guerrilla warfare style 'un-probabale' Tengu fleets.
As an exploration/scouting ship mainly focused on probing and data/relic sites.
As 'tinker' remote repiar logistics ships in tournament setting.

I am familiar with Eve Online PVP in many forms, from playing key roles in nullsec fleets, to small gang and objective warfare FC'ing and coordinating, to being a team captain and theory crafter for Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork tournament team.

Thanks.
Newbowner1
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#119 - 2017-05-26 01:25:45 UTC
Hello, I wouldn't mind participating in this focus group since it's affecting one of my favorite ships in Eve. I run support with the Loki and use it for WH exploration, Tengu is used for PvE. I have been playing Eve Online since 2009 so I have decent knowledge with Eve's in-game mechanics and would enjoy giving some of my opinions towards these unique ships.

-Newbowner1
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#120 - 2017-05-26 16:42:04 UTC
Team Five-o wrote:
The logs of the channel will be automatically published to the public on this website for transparency. Everyone can see what is being discussed, but only focus group members and CCP devs can actually talk in the channel

We opened up applications for the focus group last week in this forum thread, and we want to thank everyone who put their name forward for the group. Unfortunately we can’t accept everyone or else we would have a group too large to be functional.

The players we have selected for the initial round of this focus group are:

Asher Elias
Capri Sun KraftFoods
Eustise
ExookiZ
frsd
Icarus Narcissus
lanyaie
Lemkor Gengod
Mawderator
Noxisia Arkana
progodlegend
Rowells
StarFleetCommander
Sturm Gewehr
Titus Tallang
White 0rchid

All of these characters will be receiving evemails from CCP Fozzie with information about how they can connect to the CCP focus groups slack team. We will begin the good work of the focus group as soon as we can start getting members online.

Thanks for joining us today for this dev blog today and special thanks to those who volunteered for the focus group!


From the Strategic Cruisers and You Dev Blog.

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

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