Intergalactic Summit

It's not so much 'fulfillment' as 'channeling'. The animal is going to seek those things: to seek to meet its essential psychological need for agency and investment/satisfaction, just as it's going to seek to meet it's phsyiological needs. Society's responsibility is to provide ways to meet those psychological needs without feeling unduly restrained, or that the guidance of those drives into mutually-beneficial pursuits is particularly onerous.

When that happens, that's when people feel oppressed, and lash out from desperation. At a small scale, this is crime. On a larger scale, revolution—which is a blatant and obvious indicator that the 'civilization' has failed. The civilization may continue to limp along, as the Empire has since the Minmatar Rebellion, and can regain cohesion and regain its strength, but the fact you can walk doesn't mean you didn't break your leg six years ago.

I'd also say that systemic loss of life, liberty, et al in the service of the goal of 'more humans living closer together' isn't exactly an endorsement of the systemic loss of life etc. It's more a reflection of the basic nature of Man as a social animal. When those losses of life happen, they're not about 'we want to live with you guys so we will kill you until you let us'. They're about 'we want what you have, so we can make more of us. And if you let us make you into us, we won't kill your men and make brood-mares of your women'.

It's not exactly a civilized goal. Conflict like that—war—is actually a failure of civilization. You have two societies coming into conflict because neither one recognizes members of the other society as 'us', and thus part of the protected group.

To call that something in service of the larger goal of society (the abstract, as opposed to the dominance goal of a specific society) is rather like saying that killing all human beings is a great way to eliminate sickness and reduce ihfant mortality, in the long run. Sure, if everyone's dead, nobody's getting sick, and no babies die if no babies are born... but I'm not sure it really serves the spirit of your goal.



Welcome to 'why religion exists in the first place'. Yeah. Most people will always look for someone to tell them what to do when things get tough. Things get scary, they don't know what to do, they look for someone who seems like they do, and hope for the best. Even if that person is just as scared and clueless as they are.

Sorry, Aria. You're normal on that one.

It's a failing, sure. The whole point of the process is to try to reduce this sort of thing.

It's also not something anyone's found a cure for.

War as a regular thing on pretty much any level above village-scale is a default condition. Peace, lasting peace, among neighbors, now, that's an achievement.

It's often been bought at the cost of a lot of bloodshed, not all of it in war.


There's religion and religion, Arrendis. There are a few that aren't actually big on telling people what to do.

Somewhat, sure. But you might find us Achura a little strange this way....

I'm pretty sure I won't take offense if you decide to find a word for it that doesn't offend you.

I am slightly above average height. Just a little bit. You can BOTH go chew sand. No sand for Halcyon though, who is nice.

Standing at 1.58m tall, I am a physical colossus, towering over others in the physical realm.

It still annoys me that, while I'm taller than most capsuleers, DUSTers will almost always be taller than me.

I am 21cm taller than you. If you are a physical colossus what am I then?

I fit perfectly fine into my capsule and would consider my performance quite formidable as well.