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"PLEX can no longer be used for Character transfer fee payments"

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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
#41 - 2017-05-05 20:27:11 UTC
So nobody really answered me. Is the profit to be made from transferring a character isk wise greater than draining that character with extractors and selling the injectors?

Not making a statement here... I'm asking if this is really a big isk-loss for people doing this for profit... or is it just a problem for those who want to transfer characters between their own accounts after training specific things?
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#42 - 2017-05-05 20:44:15 UTC
ArmyOfMe wrote:
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It can be found on eve-search.com. For posterity. In all it's glory.

Remove standings and insurance.

ArmyOfMe
Teddybears.
Dead Terrorists
#43 - 2017-05-05 20:46:31 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
ArmyOfMe wrote:
stuff

It can be found on eve-search.com. For posterity. In all it's glory.

I know Big smile
This change was just so dumb that it actually got me in a pretty bad forum mood, which is pretty impressive since i for the most part couldnt give a flying F about the game Lol

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Svara Eir
Half Empty
#44 - 2017-05-05 20:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Svara Eir
I understand at least the idea of the need to kill the Character Bazaar, but my concern with this announcement lies in how it is a significant and direct change to the value of a subscription and the ownership model a player/user/customer has over their characters.

Maybe what is being overlooked here is that the latter is being sacrificed in service of the former, when it does not have to be.

Here is an example: One convenient way to train alts / new characters is to pack them into an account you already use on a regular basis, and then ship that character out to its own account when they're "ready" or when the time and need arise, especially given the restriction of one character per account logged in at any given time. Another example: Maybe I just want to reorganise my accounts.

You "fully own" these (I'm aware of how the EULA works, here I'm just trying to explain a point) insofar as you can freely transfer them by spending a premium currency / subscription item: PLEX. You might also already own all the PLEX you would ever need in order to transfer all the characters you would ever need. You might even have paid cash for said PLEX, only to be told now, with four days' notice, "pay it again". (Again, here I am just scenario-building in order to illustrate the differences in ownership, and lost value on subscription purchases that this change, a bit ignorantly, creates.)

If you're into morbid humour, contrast this with the Aurum announcement, which gives months' notice to players on a premium currency "partial" balance used for cosmetics (a lot of which was given to players for free). Months' notice for cosmetics/freebies, and four days' notice for subscription/account-related matters. These are account structures that people have been allowed to build for years (me: only ~2, but others: 5, 10, up to 14).

If CCP is dead-set on wanting to kill a system they offer a competing service for, or hoping to tailor the balance sheets in a certain way (and to whatever end), I'm not really apt to comment on that.

However, it doesn't need to happen in a way that punishes people who are just trying to reorganise their own characters. If ownership across multiple accounts can be validated (same email for x days? payment method?) to prevent loopholing, that is how CCP could do that.

Setting aside the Bazaar in itself, this change is currently too unreasonable and damaging for players who are just trying to move characters between their own accounts. They should be able to continue to do that with PLEX, or at the very least CCP needs to postpone this change because a four days' heads up is laughably garbage.
Krota Merga
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2017-05-05 20:53:54 UTC
So big crash of injector price? Feel sorry, farmers Sad
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#46 - 2017-05-05 21:06:26 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
How about you fix this issue BEFORE forcing a change no-one wanted on everyone?

Nah, that would set a dangerous precedent.

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Defecanda
Ice Mining Boys
#47 - 2017-05-05 21:09:36 UTC
Large popcorn wasn't enough. I just got a 44oz slurpy and some M&M's

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Hallvardr
#48 - 2017-05-05 21:10:09 UTC
redacted - there did it for you.
Djsaeu
Doomheim
#49 - 2017-05-05 21:10:14 UTC
Now this is what happens when you try to fix something that is not broken.

As my grandfather used to say, " Get it right the first time, that way you do not have to do it again. "
Harreeb Alls
God of Terrorr
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#50 - 2017-05-05 21:20:40 UTC
Make new item "Transfer Token", costs 1000 new plex. Transfer System thinks this item is 2 old plex. I'm willing to bet you have really smart people who could make this a thing in a few hours.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#51 - 2017-05-05 22:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
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...technical limitation... new...


lol

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Ella Foreman
Ze DoucheWaffe
#52 - 2017-05-05 22:09:21 UTC
Marketing. Plain and simple. We will never be able to transfer characters with anything other than real money ever again.

Thats the reason nobody bothered to mention this change earlier.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#53 - 2017-05-05 22:26:09 UTC
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Really, so if you guys remove posts for no good reason then we have nothing to say, were do we complain?
Will this one be removed for discussion of the rules as well?

And do you guys really want us all to file tickets when we feel a post has been removed for no good reason? Cause that could really open up the floodgates.
Even the ISD should have the ability to use their heads and understand why things are posted here rather then removing every single post they find the slighest big offensive.


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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
#54 - 2017-05-05 23:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Amak Boma
what about lawsuit agaist ccp for this self-destructive change? we will never transfer characters again unless we spend credit cards,what with people who spent their credit card for plex?
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#55 - 2017-05-05 23:26:46 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.

The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.

Hope this answers your question Smile




Remember a year or two ago when I said "this is how you kill your game" to skill injectors? I was feeling kinda wrong the past few months, but this here just brought back that cloud of doom and gloom.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#56 - 2017-05-06 00:06:34 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.

The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.

Hope this answers your question Smile


nope do not think it answers his question.
Think you better find a timeline for it Falcon.
I dont use the charactar bazaar myself but i am sure there are many that do and this is probably going to come pretty close to destroying it and any other aspect of character trading the longer such a thing remains so.

and if it goes on long enough that way, what you will have done in the far future is open the door for RMT of characters and accounts wholsale......and the best way for that, is a face to face with other eve players, seen it already happen that way a half a dozen times in the military a few yrs back.
Jason Galente
Hole Punchers
I Could Do Better
#57 - 2017-05-06 00:53:36 UTC
How exactly did CCP come to this decision? You're going to remove a crucial feature facilitating a major part of the game (character transfers) because your PLEX change that nobody was particularly enthusiastic about, broke it?

Why not just wait on the PLEX change until you aren't breaking things with it? Considering that the change isn't even that demanded/popular?

Way to make your player base anxious for no particular reason..

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2017-05-06 01:16:24 UTC
"GREED IS GOOD"
Mostlyharmlesss
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2017-05-06 02:00:39 UTC
Holy ****, talking about dropping the ball.

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Aria Jimbojohnson
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2017-05-06 03:04:35 UTC
This is completely unacceptable, CCP. Not only did nobody want this money grubbing F2P wanna be PLEX change, but now its breaking important things. With absolutely no warning at that. I'm starting to think you guys want EVE to just end so you can focus 100% on the VR fad.