EVE General Discussion

It can be found on eve-search.com. For posterity. In all it's glory.

I understand at least the idea of the need to kill the Character Bazaar, but my concern with this announcement lies in how it is a significant and direct change to the value of a subscription and the ownership model a player/user/customer has over their characters.

Maybe what is being overlooked here is that the latter is being sacrificed in service of the former, when it does not have to be.

Here is an example: One convenient way to train alts / new characters is to pack them into an account you already use on a regular basis, and then ship that character out to its own account when they're "ready" or when the time and need arise, especially given the restriction of one character per account logged in at any given time. Another example: Maybe I just want to reorganise my accounts.

You "fully own" these (I'm aware of how the EULA works, here I'm just trying to explain a point) insofar as you can freely transfer them by spending a premium currency / subscription item: PLEX. You might also already own all the PLEX you would ever need in order to transfer all the characters you would ever need. You might even have paid cash for said PLEX, only to be told now, with four days' notice, "pay it again". (Again, here I am just scenario-building in order to illustrate the differences in ownership, and lost value on subscription purchases that this change, a bit ignorantly, creates.)

If you're into morbid humour, contrast this with the Aurum announcement, which gives months' notice to players on a premium currency "partial" balance used for cosmetics (a lot of which was given to players for free). Months' notice for cosmetics/freebies, and four days' notice for subscription/account-related matters. These are account structures that people have been allowed to build for years (me: only ~2, but others: 5, 10, up to 14).

If CCP is dead-set on wanting to kill a system they offer a competing service for, or hoping to tailor the balance sheets in a certain way (and to whatever end), I'm not really apt to comment on that.

However, it doesn't need to happen in a way that punishes people who are just trying to reorganise their own characters. If ownership across multiple accounts can be validated (same email for x days? payment method?) to prevent loopholing, that is how CCP could do that.

Setting aside the Bazaar in itself, this change is currently too unreasonable and damaging for players who are just trying to move characters between their own accounts. They should be able to continue to do that with PLEX, or at the very least CCP needs to postpone this change because a four days' heads up is laughably garbage.

Nah, that would set a dangerous precedent.

redacted - there did it for you.

Make new item "Transfer Token", costs 1000 new plex. Transfer System thinks this item is 2 old plex. I'm willing to bet you have really smart people who could make this a thing in a few hours.

Marketing. Plain and simple. We will never be able to transfer characters with anything other than real money ever again.

Thats the reason nobody bothered to mention this change earlier.

what about lawsuit agaist ccp for this self-destructive change? we will never transfer characters again unless we spend credit cards,what with people who spent their credit card for plex?

nope do not think it answers his question.
Think you better find a timeline for it Falcon.
I dont use the charactar bazaar myself but i am sure there are many that do and this is probably going to come pretty close to destroying it and any other aspect of character trading the longer such a thing remains so.

and if it goes on long enough that way, what you will have done in the far future is open the door for RMT of characters and accounts wholsale......and the best way for that, is a face to face with other eve players, seen it already happen that way a half a dozen times in the military a few yrs back.

"GREED IS GOOD"

This is completely unacceptable, CCP. Not only did nobody want this money grubbing F2P wanna be PLEX change, but now its breaking important things. With absolutely no warning at that. I'm starting to think you guys want EVE to just end so you can focus 100% on the VR fad.