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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#961 - 2017-04-04 21:41:31 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Wow...and Drac was calling Aaron arrogant. I think somebody might have an issue with projection.


Facts my dear boy, I know Aaron very well, I also know how difficult he had it, a lot of that due to his own errors, but he had fun and that is the main point.


Then maybe he is the one doing better than you in game. But your conspicuous epeen stroking is hilarious in how insecure it makes you look.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#962 - 2017-04-04 21:42:07 UTC
Aaron wrote:
LMAO!! whose being assumtive now? how do you know you have more isk than me? Yes I know I got robbed but that was just one of my offices in Stain.

No, you havent lost a carrier, you lost a Dreadnought. You tried to fly it through wormholes and got destroyed when you should have put it on contract in stain and waited for a buyer...lesson learned?. So what if you have destroyed more isk that me? What does this prove? that you do more fleet ops than me? That you only fight when theres no possibility of losing? A good kill record can also mean that you are selective about the fights you partake in.

I'd say its the freighter pilot who has the tactical advantage before he overloads his freight. I also agree the ganker has a tactical advantage once they identify an over loaded freight. Looks like the game is working as intended.

All of the stuff you mention the gankers do, we can actually do ourselves. It's no ones fault they happen to be mobilised and ready for such a scenario. Also theres nothing stopping you from creating an alliance that also camps gates and ganks bumping ships. Whose fault is it that you havent done this?

Also there are people like Red Frog who do freight runs and I read they have a success rate of over 99%. Why cant we Emulate what they do?


That dread was funny because the pilot in it had to log to see what was going on when the WH collapsed, we all had a good laugh over it. I know you were fighting difficult fights I was with you in quite a few, you have my respect in a number of areas.

My dear boy I had a look at the possibilities in hisec and found that it was too far gone, the mechanics were against it and CCP were too biased towards the gankers as the wreck EHP change showed, you might prove me wrong, I hope you do.

I know what Red Frog do, I went one step further, DST's for the win or I do courier contracts and hope I get someone on the Miniluv and CODE blue list Lol But the collateral can make a fair amount of profit you know Cool.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#963 - 2017-04-04 21:44:10 UTC
See guys, Drac views these discussions as mere forum PVP, meaning that his arguments don't actually have to be grounded in reality (as we've all observed). All he's trying to do is win the argument by claiming the same nonsense over and over ad nauseum.

Oh, and he cries about that one Nerf.
(He'll be along shortly to insist he's not crying)

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#964 - 2017-04-04 21:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Dracvlad wrote:
My dear boy I had a look at the possibilities in hisec and found that it was too far gone, the mechanics were against it and CCP were too biased towards the gankers as the wreck EHP change showed, you might prove me wrong, I hope you do.


Right because huge amounts of cargo do NOT move around HS unmolested.Roll

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#965 - 2017-04-04 21:45:37 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
See guys, Drac views these discussions as mere forum PVP, meaning that his arguments don't actually have to be grounded in reality (as we've all observed). All he's trying to do is win the argument by claiming the same nonsense over and over ad nauseum.

Oh, and he cries about that one Nerf.
(He'll be along shortly to insist he's not crying)


While crying about it in his signature in every single post of his.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#966 - 2017-04-04 22:09:59 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
LMAO!! whose being assumtive now? how do you know you have more isk than me? Yes I know I got robbed but that was just one of my offices in Stain.

No, you havent lost a carrier, you lost a Dreadnought. You tried to fly it through wormholes and got destroyed when you should have put it on contract in stain and waited for a buyer...lesson learned?. So what if you have destroyed more isk that me? What does this prove? that you do more fleet ops than me? That you only fight when theres no possibility of losing? A good kill record can also mean that you are selective about the fights you partake in.

I'd say its the freighter pilot who has the tactical advantage before he overloads his freight. I also agree the ganker has a tactical advantage once they identify an over loaded freight. Looks like the game is working as intended.

All of the stuff you mention the gankers do, we can actually do ourselves. It's no ones fault they happen to be mobilised and ready for such a scenario. Also theres nothing stopping you from creating an alliance that also camps gates and ganks bumping ships. Whose fault is it that you havent done this?

Also there are people like Red Frog who do freight runs and I read they have a success rate of over 99%. Why cant we Emulate what they do?


That dread was funny because the pilot in it had to log to see what was going on when the WH collapsed, we all had a good laugh over it. I know you were fighting difficult fights I was with you in quite a few, you have my respect in a number of areas.

My dear boy I had a look at the possibilities in hisec and found that it was too far gone, the mechanics were against it and CCP were too biased towards the gankers as the wreck EHP change showed, you might prove me wrong, I hope you do.

I know what Red Frog do, I went one step further, DST's for the win or I do courier contracts and hope I get someone on the Miniluv and CODE blue list Lol But the collateral can make a fair amount of profit you know Cool.


What about when we were in SAS alliance and a dude kept getting his carrier bumped by a mach? Everytime you or another SAS pilot warped solo you were immiedietly owned by the mach's support fleet. were you a better player than me then? I was so tempted to take over the fleet and get the other dudes to undock and align toward the bumped carrier and warp in together. You lost 3 or 4 ships doing that drac and you really want to tell me you're a better player?

You did'nt know a damn thing about eve in 2009, You have some respect I was your mentor and I took time out to help you understand the game and here you are trying to insult me?

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Violet Crumble
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#967 - 2017-04-04 22:11:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Violet Crumble
Dracvlad wrote:
I know what Red Frog do, I went one step further, DST's for the win or I do courier contracts and hope I get someone on the Miniluv and CODE blue list Lol But the collateral can make a fair amount of profit you know Cool.

Seriously, you don't need any Miniluv, CODE. or other blue list to courier successfully in a Freighter.

Putting the Red Frog figures aside (0.1 - 0.2% failure rate from all sources of failure), taking this more general post fro Mr Epeen a while back:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5591330#post5591330

In a general sense, he indirectly put the gank loss rate of his contracts at less than 1 in 200. That's < 0.5%.

Not a detailed analysis, just his general sense of what happens to his contracts, from someone who puts up around 1500 courier contracts per month, to be hauled by potentially anyone. That's the sort of knowledge and experience that has weight.

All you need to do is find couriers who know what they are doing, because even allowing for 100% variance in Epeen's estimates, a 1% chance of failure for all haulers can be reduced drastically, to near 0 by the good ones.

No special treatment required. Just a bit of intelligence.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#968 - 2017-04-04 22:20:01 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
My dear boy I had a look at the possibilities in hisec and found that it was too far gone, the mechanics were against it and CCP were too biased towards the gankers as the wreck EHP change showed, you might prove me wrong, I hope you do.

If even Highsec is too hard for you not sure what's left for you in this game. Maybe make up more stuff on the forums, that seams to be your thing this days. But you even seam to fail at forum PvP, oh dear...

Evil RatKid
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#969 - 2017-04-04 22:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Mieyli
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
My dear boy I had a look at the possibilities in hisec and found that it was too far gone, the mechanics were against it and CCP were too biased towards the gankers as the wreck EHP change showed, you might prove me wrong, I hope you do.

If even Highsec is too hard for you not sure what's left for you in this game. Maybe make up more stuff on the forums, that seams to be your thing this days. But you even seam to fail at forum PvP, oh dear...


It's pretty easy to win an argument when all you do is troll, contribute nothing, and claim victory regardless of anything that's been said. You'll claim this post as tears so you can continue as the winner. It's pathetic watching the locker room high-fiving going on in this thread.

It's been said that what I'm looking for exists in renting sov out in null. Isn't it ass backwards that the safe space is located in... The lawless space and the dangerous space is located in... The protected systems. Highsec is seriously broken and it takes a blind man not to see it.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#970 - 2017-04-04 22:31:03 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I think it is amusing seeing you argue with what you have said in other threads and I think you have got into a chicken or egg argument with yourself which has rather fascinated me.

Do you care to provide an example of what you are talking about or is this just another nonsensical deflection because your whole argumentation got picked apart and you try to make it look like you won something again?

And people ask themselves how AG can fail all day constantly at every opportunity all the time. No wonder if they have "leaders" like you. It's like they glued DrysonBenningthon and JTClone Ares together and inflated the ego some more.


I am not sure where you got the impression I was a leader of the AG, you keep saying that as if it means something to you and typical of your style, let me repeat it because you seem to ignore it, I was never a leader in AG, I did not have any mod rights on the forums, I was not even in the HSM. All I have done is act as a line member opposing ganks, I have also engaged the gankers on the forums.

I still think you were arguing with yourself and I stood back and watched in fascination, especially as I have seen you make the opposite point in different threads, anyway it is not important, just amusing, but it means something to you, what exactly I have no idea, point scoring perhaps...



It's actually kind of funny that the real leadership and operators in AG do not bother to talk to these CODE. lackeys.
They just get out there and do it.
But here is CODE. grasping at people they think are responsible. They think we are in charge.

I didn't even get a Napoleon hat. Cry

(Though I'm rather partial to Pinochet and Hoppean memes)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#971 - 2017-04-04 22:31:49 UTC
Aaron wrote:
What about when we were in SAS alliance and a dude kept getting his carrier bumped by a mach? Everytime you or another SAS pilot warped solo you were immiedietly owned by the mach's support fleet. were you a better player than me then? I was so tempted to take over the fleet and get the other dudes to undock and align toward the bumped carrier and warp in together. You lost 3 or 4 ships doing that drac and you really want to tell me you're a better player?

You did'nt know a damn thing about eve in 2009, You have some respect I was your mentor and I took time out to help you understand the game and here you are trying to insult me?


That is a bit of a fantasy you are coming out with there Aaron. I don't rate you in any leadership position and you can no longer FC as you do not understand the current meta.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#972 - 2017-04-04 22:33:04 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You are telling me something I already know and understand about how to play in this game, I have much more ISK then you, I have never been ganked unlike you, I have never lost a carrier, I have a far superior killboard than you and you have the arrogance to tell me that I don't know that, seriously mate that is silly.

Lots of ISK. Check
Never lost much. Check
Whores on lots of CONCORD kills. Check
Epeens in the forum over 'impressive' killboard. Check
Epeens in forum over size of wallet. Check
Rolls eyes at other players calling them arrogant while epeening. Check
Constantly whinges and whines to nerf other players. Check

Carebear through and through


Wow...and Drac was calling Aaron arrogant. I think somebody might have an issue with projection.



And you would know, right bro?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#973 - 2017-04-04 22:33:18 UTC
Aaron wrote:


Impression of Drac: "I sold my freighter because I did'nt want to limit my cargo value to around 1 billion, a JF is useless to me "


Rreally?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#974 - 2017-04-04 22:34:07 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You are telling me something I already know and understand about how to play in this game, I have much more ISK then you, I have never been ganked unlike you, I have never lost a carrier, I have a far superior killboard than you and you have the arrogance to tell me that I don't know that, seriously mate that is silly.

Lots of ISK. Check
Never lost much. Check
Whores on lots of CONCORD kills. Check
Epeens in the forum over 'impressive' killboard. Check
Epeens in forum over size of wallet. Check
Rolls eyes at other players calling them arrogant while epeening. Check
Constantly whinges and whines to nerf other players. Check

Carebear through and through


Wow...and Drac was calling Aaron arrogant. I think somebody might have an issue with projection.



And you would know, right bro?


Stalker alert.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#975 - 2017-04-04 22:35:27 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
My dear boy I had a look at the possibilities in hisec and found that it was too far gone, the mechanics were against it and CCP were too biased towards the gankers as the wreck EHP change showed, you might prove me wrong, I hope you do.

If even Highsec is too hard for you not sure what's left for you in this game. Maybe make up more stuff on the forums, that seams to be your thing this days. But you even seam to fail at forum PvP, oh dear...


It's pretty easy to win an argument when all you do is troll, contribute nothing, and claim victory regardless of anything that's been said. You'll claim this post as tears so you can continue as the winner. It's pathetic watching the locker room high-fiving going on in this thread.

It's been said that what I'm looking for exists in renting sov out in null. Isn't it ass backwards that the safe space is located in... The lawless space and the dangerous space is located in... The protected systems. Highsec is seriously broken and it takes a blind man not to see it.


You're wrong. The renter alliances MAKE null sec safe for renters. You want CCP to make HS safe for iiots.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#976 - 2017-04-04 22:36:38 UTC
Violet Crumble wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I know what Red Frog do, I went one step further, DST's for the win or I do courier contracts and hope I get someone on the Miniluv and CODE blue list Lol But the collateral can make a fair amount of profit you know Cool.

Seriously, you don't need any Miniluv, CODE. or other blue list to courier successfully in a Freighter.

Putting the Red Frog figures (0.1 - 0.2% failure rate from all sources of failure), taking this more general post fro Mr Epeen a while back:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5591330#post5591330

In a general sense, he indirectly put the gank loss rate of his contracts at less than 1 in 200 of his contracts. That's < 0.5%.

Not a detailed analysis, just his general sense of what happens to his contracts, from someone who puts up around 1500 courier contracts per month, to be hauled by potentially anyone. That's the sort of knowledge and experience that has weight.

All you need to do is find couriers who know what they are doing, because even allowing for 100% variance in Epeen's estimates, a 1% chance of failure for all haulers can be reduced drastically, to near 0 by the good ones.

No special treatment required. Just a bit of intelligence.


I am not sure what you are trying to say, I use courier contracts, but if it made some sort of point then great

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#977 - 2017-04-04 22:37:43 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You are telling me something I already know and understand about how to play in this game, I have much more ISK then you, I have never been ganked unlike you, I have never lost a carrier, I have a far superior killboard than you and you have the arrogance to tell me that I don't know that, seriously mate that is silly.

Lots of ISK. Check
Never lost much. Check
Whores on lots of CONCORD kills. Check
Epeens in the forum over 'impressive' killboard. Check
Epeens in forum over size of wallet. Check
Rolls eyes at other players calling them arrogant while epeening. Check
Constantly whinges and whines to nerf other players. Check

Carebear through and through


Wow...and Drac was calling Aaron arrogant. I think somebody might have an issue with projection.



And you would know, right bro?


Stalker alert.



I do watch out for you because I don't want you to go into that dark place and have another meltdown again. You can always convo me if you need help.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#978 - 2017-04-04 22:37:53 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
What about when we were in SAS alliance and a dude kept getting his carrier bumped by a mach? Everytime you or another SAS pilot warped solo you were immiedietly owned by the mach's support fleet. were you a better player than me then? I was so tempted to take over the fleet and get the other dudes to undock and align toward the bumped carrier and warp in together. You lost 3 or 4 ships doing that drac and you really want to tell me you're a better player?

You did'nt know a damn thing about eve in 2009, You have some respect I was your mentor and I took time out to help you understand the game and here you are trying to insult me?


That is a bit of a fantasy you are coming out with there Aaron. I don't rate you in any leadership position and you can no longer FC as you do not understand the current meta.


No fantasy, I'm more than happy to look in the archives and post the kill mails. You didn't understand the primary strike of the hostile fleet would kill all of you if you warped in 1 by 1 like lemmings. I had a healthy understanding of this and if it wasnt for you and your friends **** blocking I could have spread my wings.


Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Violet Crumble
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#979 - 2017-04-04 22:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Violet Crumble
Dracvlad wrote:
Violet Crumble wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
... and hope I get someone on the Miniluv and CODE blue list Lol ...

Seriously, you don't need any Miniluv, CODE. or other blue list to courier successfully in a Freighter.

...


I am not sure what you are trying to say, I use courier contracts, but if it made some sort of point then great

Hmm. I thought the first sentence of my post was a plain statement.

Not really sure how to reword it to make it more understandable though. Ah well. Such is life.

Edit:
Maybe this is a better summary of what I was saying:

Relying on hope is a path to disappointment. There are plenty of Freighter pilots out there that know what they are doing and who reduce risk to near 0 from an already very small level. There is no need for hope, just find a good hauler, because being on some blue list isn't necessary.

Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#980 - 2017-04-04 22:58:40 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


Wow...and Drac was calling Aaron arrogant. I think somebody might have an issue with projection.



And you would know, right bro?


Stalker alert.



I do watch out for you because I don't want you to go into that dark place and have another meltdown again. You can always convo me if you need help.


Creepy stalker alert.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online