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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#821 - 2017-04-04 12:12:10 UTC

Tell me
How many nerfs has AG had in the past years? I want to see that exhaustive AG Nerf list

You sure as hell seem to forget that ganking has, despite all appearances, being nerfed in many more ways than the opposite... yet, you don't see any "ganking needs a buff" threads pop out everyday..
That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Lol

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#822 - 2017-04-04 12:15:35 UTC
Aaron wrote:

Most will agree that it is in fact you who is arrogant.


I stopped responding to people like that a long time ago, because it's fruitless, you can never penetrate the wall built around their self serving world views. But I will say this, what you say about folks like that perfectly illustrate a point I've been making for a while. They like to think of themselves as the good guys, the White Knights of the situation, the righteous.

Which is why they can't wrap their heads around the idea that they are in fact the bad guys in these scenarios. The people they 'hate' are the people advocating actual freedom in EVE Online, the idea that everyone can do as they please as long as the accept the consequences of those actions AND accept the fact that everyone else has the same freedom (and some will use that freedom to screw with others, with is totally ok and within the rules of the game as long as it stays in game).

They are the bad guys because all they ever advocate is the taking away of freedoms from people they don't like. It's ironic to see people like that celebrate when others get nerfed, while one little buff to Wreck HP can send them through the roof, and it demonstrates that they aren't after balance, but rather advantage.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#823 - 2017-04-04 12:22:49 UTC
Since we've reached page 42, let's discuss the meaning of life.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#824 - 2017-04-04 12:23:49 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:

Tell me
How many nerfs has AG had in the past years? I want to see that exhaustive AG Nerf list

You sure as hell seem to forget that ganking has, despite all appearances, being nerfed in many more ways than the opposite... yet, you don't see any "ganking needs a buff" threads pop out everyday..
That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Lol


They cry to CCP on things that matter like wreck EHP... and they get things changed for their advantage, lol.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#825 - 2017-04-04 12:26:11 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Lol
The threadnaughts over things like the insurance nerf and various other ganking nerfs would like to disagree, Mr selsctive memory.

Here's the thing about this game. Everyone cries when it's them that's being affected.

EVERY LAST ONE OF US!

Mr Epeen Cool
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#826 - 2017-04-04 12:28:14 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:

Tell me
How many nerfs has AG had in the past years? I want to see that exhaustive AG Nerf list

You sure as hell seem to forget that ganking has, despite all appearances, being nerfed in many more ways than the opposite... yet, you don't see any "ganking needs a buff" threads pop out everyday..
That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Lol


They cry to CCP on things that matter like wreck EHP... and they get things changed for their advantage, lol.

Get me that long list of AG nerfs
Come on now

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#827 - 2017-04-04 12:29:27 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Lol
The threadnaughts over things like the insurance nerf and various other ganking nerfs would like to disagree, Mr selsctive memory.

Here's the thing about this game. Everyone cries when it's them that's being affected.

EVERY LAST ONE OF US!

Mr Epeen Cool

Oh sorry if I wasn't playing at the time
Nice try tho

Gf

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Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#828 - 2017-04-04 12:29:40 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:


I'll repeat myself again, these threads will continue to be created as long as eve remains so far outside normality.


The above is very telling.

I knew a guy from my job years back, he moved on a while ago. He's a transplant, originally from California, and was then living here in Texas. He always talked bad about California, he's used the words "it's turned into a big mess" several times.

But when we talk about our lives here in Texas, he almost invariably tells me about how "where I'm from, we do it this way, I don't know why you all don't"... I once looked him in the eye and told him " where I'm from isn't perfect, but I like it, which is why I've never moved away for very long (the longest stint was 2 years). YOU call the place where you are from crap.... but you take every opportunity to try to turn the place were are at NOW into the same kind of crap. I guess the place you come from is a big mess because it's filled with folks who like to make messes".

He really didn't like me pointing that out. A few years later he moved to Florida and I lost contact with him, but I'll be he's saying the same things there as he did here. Type don't change.

I thought of him when you said you'd played other MMOs. You seem to talk bad about those other MMOs. Yet here you are in an avowed niche game (the mistake of 5 years ago has hot changed it's niche game status) advocating that it add more "normality". In other words, you want EVE to turn into the same kind of crap you came from.

And yet you seem surprised at the resistence to the idea. If most of us wanted normal, we'd be playing some other game. We LIKE the different thing called EVE, and we wish those who didn't would just shove off and find something they can get behind the way we are behind EVE Online.

EVE is not perfect, but it is one of the few hard core/adult games left in a world of mushy hand holding feel good bullshit. And from now till it ends, folks like me are going to defend this unique hobby, both against unreasonable people like you, and from unthinking stakeholder pressure to "mainstream" it.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#829 - 2017-04-04 12:33:29 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aaron wrote:

Most will agree that it is in fact you who is arrogant.


I stopped responding to people like that a long time ago, because it's fruitless, you can never penetrate the wall built around their self serving world views. But I will say this, what you say about folks like that perfectly illustrate a point I've been making for a while. They like to think of themselves as the good guys, the White Knights of the situation, the righteous.

Which is why they can't wrap their heads around the idea that they are in fact the bad guys in these scenarios. The people they 'hate' are the people advocating actual freedom in EVE Online, the idea that everyone can do as they please as long as the accept the consequences of those actions AND accept the fact that everyone else has the same freedom (and some will use that freedom to screw with others, with is totally ok and within the rules of the game as long as it stays in game).

They are the bad guys because all they ever advocate is the taking away of freedoms from people they don't like. It's ironic to see people like that celebrate when others get nerfed, while one little buff to Wreck HP can send them through the roof, and it demonstrates that they aren't after balance, but rather advantage.


Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... comedy gold every one of your posts makes me giggle.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#830 - 2017-04-04 12:33:56 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mr Mieyli wrote:


I'll repeat myself again, these threads will continue to be created as long as eve remains so far outside normality.


The above is very telling.

I knew a guy from my job years back, he moved on a while ago. He's a transplant, originally from California, and was then living here in Texas. He always talked bad about California, he's used the words "it's turned into a big mess" several times.

But when we talk about our lives here in Texas, he almost invariably tells me about how "where I'm from, we do it this way, I don't know why you all don't"... I once looked him in the eye and told him " where I'm from isn't perfect, but I like it, which is why I've never moved away for very long (the longest stint was 2 years). YOU call the place where you are from crap.... but you take every opportunity to try to turn the place were are at NOW into the same kind of crap. I guess the place you come from is a big mess because it's filled with folks who like to make messes".

He really didn't like me pointing that out. A few years later he moved to Florida and I lost contact with him, but I'll be he's saying the same things there as he did here. Type don't change.

I thought of him when you said you'd played other MMOs. You seem to talk bad about those other MMOs. Yet here you are in an avowed niche game (the mistake of 5 years ago has hot changed it's niche game status) advocating that it add more "normality". In other words, you want EVE to turn into the same kind of crap you came from.

And yet you seem surprised at the resistence to the idea. If most of us wanted normal, we'd be playing some other game. We LIKE the different thing called EVE, and we wish those who didn't would just shove off and find something they can get behind the way we are behind EVE Online.

EVE is not perfect, but it is one of the few hard core/adult games left in a world of mushy hand holding feel good bullshit. And from now till it ends, folks like me are going to defend this unique hobby, both against unreasonable people like you, and from unthinking stakeholder pressure to "mainstream" it.


I think you're wasting your time writing any more paragraphs on this one. The only answer such a stupid statement deserved was, "and they'll continue getting the same reply: EVE isn't meant to be 'normal', but if 'normal' is what you want, there are thousands of other games you wish EVE was more like that you can play instead."

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#831 - 2017-04-04 12:36:21 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Lol
The threadnaughts over things like the insurance nerf and various other ganking nerfs would like to disagree, Mr selsctive memory.

Here's the thing about this game. Everyone cries when it's them that's being affected.

EVERY LAST ONE OF US!

Mr Epeen Cool

Oh sorry if I wasn't playing at the time
Nice try tho

Gf
Careful, now. You can hurt yourself shifting those heavy goalposts.

Mr Epeen Cool
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#832 - 2017-04-04 12:44:34 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Lol
The threadnaughts over things like the insurance nerf and various other ganking nerfs would like to disagree, Mr selsctive memory.

Here's the thing about this game. Everyone cries when it's them that's being affected.

EVERY LAST ONE OF US!

Mr Epeen Cool

Oh sorry if I wasn't playing at the time
Nice try tho

Gf
Careful, now. You can hurt yourself shifting those heavy goalposts.

Mr Epeen Cool

Like you or I cared Blink

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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#833 - 2017-04-04 12:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Indeed it is. I'm hoping it will prompt the likes of Dracvlad, Infinity and Herzog to look into what Elite 1 was and how it was played.

As always I admire your enthusiasm and positive thinking. I highly doubt they are interested in a honest discussion though.


Well first of all I played the first Elite and got to Elite status if that helps you both, Aaron stop being so arrogantly smug superior, it gets you into trouble.

And honesty is not something that gankers like you have at all. The twisting and turning, the name calling and the moving of goal posts on this thread has been truly epic, I have been reading this with wry amusement and a large box of popcorn since my last post.

I have said what I needed to on bumping and the fact that it is against the hardness of Eve, I refuted one ganker aligned player saying it will be too hard by detailing kills on the max cargo Charon with 12 characters with SB and Catalyst at a pinch even if the catalyst one was a second hit the maths still add up on the 182,580 EHP and showing that his words were false, anyone with a brain will see that with the cost of such a gank as compared to the reward that the risk reward is way out of kilter.

I pointed out in my first post in here that the issue is not so much the war dec system but the players, in any case I am in 0.0 and enjoying the hell out of it, having PL next door is actually quite fun, but for people like you I doubt you would be up to it...


Me, arrogant? My opinion is superior to no one. My opinion is based on the state of current affairs and facts nothing more. My only real point here is that the PvP in this game was originally designed to be harsh. What is your view on this? Why does it seem that you don't have any respect for what the founder wanted?

Most will agree that it is in fact you who is arrogant.

And by the way drac, not all of us can afford to retire at a young age and spend most of our time on eve. All of your posts stink of arrogance and self importance as if you are all knowing.

Accept eve was purposely designed to very very harsh from day 0.


I did not presume that you had not played Elite and you had not made Elite level, that you did on me is arrogance.

If you look at my earlier criticism of bumping you will see that it is based on a segment of players having such an easy game with that naff mechanic, that is against what I see as Eve, in terms of being a hard game. If you really say to me that you think that having the ability to point someone for a long period of time with no consequences to set them up perfectly for the exact fleet to just warp in and get to it then you don't get Eve and I am disappointed in you and I always saw you warts and all as someone who hung tough...

So is Eve only supposed to be tough for some players or all players?


Not being funny or anything you do talk as if you have no idea wat elite 1 was.

I agree it is reasonably easy to pin a freight. The only problem is that these freights are overloaded with value and have made themselves a target.

How can it be against eve when that is how eve was meant to be designed?

You made no comment about the original designer and his view. This is what he wanted accept it or leave it. Your choice.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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#834 - 2017-04-04 13:15:38 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:

Tell me
How many nerfs has AG had in the past years? I want to see that exhaustive AG Nerf list

You sure as hell seem to forget that ganking has, despite all appearances, being nerfed in many more ways than the opposite... yet, you don't see any "ganking needs a buff" threads pop out everyday..
That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Lol


They cry to CCP on things that matter like wreck EHP... and they get things changed for their advantage, lol.


So what you're saying is that, even when it comes to lobbying, we completely outclass you?

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#835 - 2017-04-04 13:16:46 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
No, seriously, lets consider this. Suppose I could move my LS invention operations to your HS+ and get the same rewards without the same risk. I'd do it in a mother-godamn-****ing hear beat. I'd be in there so fast your head would spin. You'd be like, Teckos for a guy your age you can stay up goddamn late and move goddamn fast...stay away from my wife! I'd be a Goddamned idiot not to make such a move. And assuming I'm not alone in my desire for high rewards and low risk I'd not be alone. What would happen to T2 prices? They drop like a rock in water. In short, HS+ with good rewards for the risk would be unbalancing. If you want HS+ with no belts, no ability to anchor citadels or POS, no PI worth doing, missions that suck ass, and so forth...well okay. But why stay in such ****** space? So you don't get ganked every 16th week? Okay...but when you quite can I have your stuff?


You're making assumptions that you would be able to move lowsec invention there and get the same rewards without the risk. Drug labs are only anchorable in low or null, why not t2 research as well. Crashing the market is exactly what I would want to avoid because surprisingly to you, I do want this to remain a game of player interaction, I'd just like to be able to opt out for a while and still be able to log in and chat to people. That's why I have always said I don't want to 'ruin the game', but it's impossible for you all to see what I'm saying as anything else.

Folk have suggested Sisi, well being able to spawn in items cheapens the entire experience. Isn't everything on the test server basically free?

This will be one of the last posts from me here though, since you guys are right about one thing. This discussion has been had many times between old regulars and countless 'losers' who don't understand, or more realistically don't agree with how eve is. I thought I might point out to you all, whether CCP is paying any attention or not, that this will only continue forever, until eve does conform. Because we are the borg, and you will be assimilated.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#836 - 2017-04-04 13:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Aaron wrote:
Not being funny or anything you do talk as if you have no idea wat elite 1 was.

I agree it is reasonably easy to pin a freight. The only problem is that these freights are overloaded with value and have made themselves a target.

How can it be against eve when that is how eve was meant to be designed?

You made no comment about the original designer and his view. This is what he wanted accept it or leave it. Your choice.


No it was not funny and it made you look arrogant and stupid and yet you say I am arrogant. I did not even mention Elite until you said I knew nothing about it, oh I get it, you think I am posting with another toon, silly mistake mate.

Reasonably easy, extremely easy, no risk, controls the battlefield etc. keep ignoring that mate, I thought you could FC?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#837 - 2017-04-04 13:21:09 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:

Tell me
How many nerfs has AG had in the past years? I want to see that exhaustive AG Nerf list

You sure as hell seem to forget that ganking has, despite all appearances, being nerfed in many more ways than the opposite... yet, you don't see any "ganking needs a buff" threads pop out everyday..
That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Lol


They cry to CCP on things that matter like wreck EHP... and they get things changed for their advantage, lol.


So what you're saying is that, even when it comes to lobbying, we completely outclass you?


Thanks for confirming it but it was already confirmed and admitted too. The lobbying by gankes that is...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
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#838 - 2017-04-04 13:27:20 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

There are no real consequences now. When Ovuer wrote that the consequences were very great today they're not. That's the crux of the issue.


Wow. You are an amazingly full of crap individual.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
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#839 - 2017-04-04 13:28:45 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:

Tell me
How many nerfs has AG had in the past years? I want to see that exhaustive AG Nerf list

You sure as hell seem to forget that ganking has, despite all appearances, being nerfed in many more ways than the opposite... yet, you don't see any "ganking needs a buff" threads pop out everyday..
That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Lol


They cry to CCP on things that matter like wreck EHP... and they get things changed for their advantage, lol.


So what you're saying is that, even when it comes to lobbying, we completely outclass you?


Thanks for confirming it but it was already confirmed and admitted too. The lobbying by gankes that is...


What's it like to fail at literally everything?

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#840 - 2017-04-04 13:38:38 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Your fantasies of EVE are only going to land you more confusion, failure, and whining. Right now, you're sitting in a kayak expecting it to be a motorboat and complaining that it needs an engine instead of just picking up the damn paddles and learning how to work with what you have, or just getting out of the boat.


I see it more that I'm sitting in a kayak that could be easily converted to a motorboat and I'm pointing it out. I suppose I'll let my sub lapse until I'm working a jobwith more free time, I haven't even been able to read all 42 pages of this behemoth.

And no, I'm keeping my stuff, you can send me yours though once the borg arrive.

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