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This just isn't true. It would have the same RR power as a ninazu. As for it's local tank, you're looking at about a similar tank to how shield FAX tank. At the very most, you won't be looking at much more than a fully pimp lif or ninazu tanks, for like 1/5th the cost.

FAX really aren't that overpowered. You just have to know how to deal with them. People who think FAX are OP generally don't fly them, and don't realize their weaknesses and how just goddamn squishy and hard to fly they are.

Honestly, for a hull cost of between 15-20b, it would be nice if the ship I'm buying has a reasonable chance to survive longer than a t1 fit ninazu...

I totally know your point, but unlike t1 capitals, those faction caps offer no more utilities other than fanciness.

For example: a nyx is more tanky than a vehement, packed with more firepower against both caps and subcaps, more utility, even more cargohold, nor to say with so many keeps around it is so easy to own a super.

But they cost the same, WHY CCP?
So why the heck I would pick a vehement over a nyx? Nor to say probably vehement itself is a giant taunt that cannot be remotely repped, what that means is a nyx could take 15 doomsday, meanwhile a fancy vehement/dagon could only take 1or2.


Maybe CCP would say:"But hey, vehement has its unique web bonus!" Fudge it.

What is the use of a 90% 14km web on a cap battle? Web a afterburner Revenant down? "WOW hey guys I slow a snail donw!" and then boom you are eliminated by a no-scope titan doomsday.

Against sub caps? No way people would engage a vehement without lots of yolo dreads, they will light up their cyno, because a vehement km worth doing all of these.





Driving a golden car across a battlefield, nobody, whatever EVE last another 10 years or 50 years, would do that.
Unless lower their price, a 3-5b vehement will be much more useful.
Or keep the prices as they are, but throw game balance away like they never exist. Give them ridiculous bounses.

1. Does the web bonus affect grapplers?

2. If a ship is good enough, people will give 0 ***** about the price tag on it. Price is a bullshit excuse. You want to incentivize the use of faction capitals? Remove jump fatigue completely from them and give them the old pre-phoebe range. Problem solved.

Currently, bonuses to webs do not apply to grapplers.

If they did, Vindis, and to a lesser extent Bagglehorns, would be OP AF.

What about a change to packaged vs unpackaged Titan modules in regards to m3 size? That way it's at least easier to carry refits and doesn't conflict with the design of unpackaged modules and refitting due to fleet hangar constraints? Meaning you can carry packaged modules but cannot necessarily refit them in combat because their unpackaged m3 amounts would stay the same?

I guess it was a bit less of a problem because webs are not capital sized mods so the cut to the usual carry-on toolbox was not as drastic.

CCP Larrikin
any plans to revisit the nos strength on the Dagon ?

it really does need to be much stronger (or have an internal multiplier) to make it a viable option for the ship

negative value items over 100% have been tested before.... it gave unlimited gun range and perfect tracking

OKAY seen as it seems to make a difference when I post hard math, let me do the math on the NOSing bonuses real quick.

So, each faction NOS you fit on the dagon gains you 100c/sec.

For local reppers, a DB capital armor repper (local) uses up 111.1 cap/sec.

For remote reppers, the bonused reps of the dagon uses up 413 cap/sec.

So, if you wanted to run the Dagon as a remote armor rep boat, to keep it cap stable using the NOS, you would need at least 4 NOS PER capital remote armor rep. As the Dagon has 6 highslots, this means you would have 1 RR, 4 NOS, and 1 Triage mod in the highs, if you wanted to be stable running ONLY the remote rep.

You would need one NOS per local armor rep you fitted.

This is all assuming you are not getting neuted.

So how would a dagon look with the current stats?

Assuming you fit 2 remote reps, and 3 capital nos, with consistent repping, the dagon still has a defecit of 700 cap/sec.

A capital capacitor booster, ignoring reload, gives you ~250 cap/sec.

Assuming your dagon looks like this:

[Dagon, Dagon fit]

Dark Blood Capital Armor Repairer
Dark Blood Capital Armor Repairer
Dark Blood Capital Armor Repairer
Syndicate Damage Control
Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Capital Capacitor Booster II
Capital Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Capital Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
True Sansha Cap Recharger

True Sansha Capital Energy Nosferatu
True Sansha Capital Energy Nosferatu
True Sansha Capital Energy Nosferatu
Triage Module II
CONCORD Capital Remote Armor Repairer
CONCORD Capital Remote Armor Repairer

Capital Nanobot Accelerator II
Capital Nanobot Accelerator II
Capital Auxiliary Nano Pump I

You are still going to have way in excess of a 300 cap/sec defecit running the remote reppers. The local reppers ~should~ be fine, sort of.

So even WITH the NOS bonus the Dagon gets, you're still going to be constantly chewing through cap boosters in order to keep your cap up, even before getting neuted.

And before anyone says 'but you dont run your remote reppers ALL the time duh' you probably haven't been in the kind of fights I have been in with FAX then, because mine are going constantly.

That's a whole new level of "slingshot it into warp".