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[MAY] Blood Raider Capitals

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2017-04-02 04:04:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Creecher Virpio wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Ncc 1709 wrote:
@mr rive
Your math is off.
maxed skill the capital nos will get 2000 capacitor per 20 seconds. so its actually 100 cap/s

Yes but the Dagon gets a 150% bonus. My math is terrible, but either way, the nos cannot be used to run the remote reps at all reliably, given the cycle time bonus the Dagon gets.

0 cap stability is nothing new to fax machines. You still have mid slots just like the apostle does, and you get the nos bonus

Actually, the capital T2 remote rep at max skills will cost the Dagon 487 Gj/s to run, and keep in mind this is with the cycle time reduction. The nos pulling in 100 Gj/s is a very significant chunk of capacitor income and can do a lot toward making the fit cap stable, which is a lot more than can be said for a T1 force auxiliary. So this ship is most definitely more cap stable than a T1 fax. But if the nosferatus are affected by the triage module, it'll pull in 400 Gj/s, making it easily cap stable running 2 reps and 2 nos, and it can have a third rep on standby for when the ship has some extra capacitor.

And you're using the fax as a recon while it's playing logi.



Blueberry cuddlemuffin wrote:
What is the temperature inside of the corpse bays? Can't have the corpses go bad

It's thirty-five.



Thirty-five Kelvin inside the tubes, but the observation deck passageway is a balmy thirty-five Celsius.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2017-04-02 05:27:14 UTC
Atomeon wrote:
Then give fun to the others too? Shocked

It's more fun if it's more unique. Great way to ruin a great thing is make it cheap.

Cade Windstalker wrote:
The non-Bloodraider factions aren't crazed bloodthirsty maniacs. It would be weirdly out of character for anyone else to have a corpse bay (except maybe the Sleepers/Drifters)

What's the difference between an Amarrian and a Blood Raider?

One is a bloodthirsty hypocrite dedicated to nihilism, worshiping a font of eternal youth, killing in the name of a child-killing, slaver devil-god. The other's a Blood Raider.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#163 - 2017-04-02 14:59:57 UTC
Atomic Virulent wrote:
It's funny. The replies to this are very telling. Before even reading any of them I thought to myself... "Wow, content for 3 groups. Goons, PL, and NC."

This is just documented proof. Nearly all comments are from those 3, almost like they know as well that they are sanctified by CCP.

Thanks CCP for providing content to 1% of the 1% of the 1% of those who keep your lights on.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will never see one on the field, much less have access to one. But we're ok being abused and harrassed out of the game by bulk-wardeccing bullies who ultimately have zero ambition in the game other than destroy the experience for as many as possible for giggles.

Well done yet again CCP, well done. You continue to amaze.



why are you crying at PL and NC and goons about CCP making a ship too expensive?

Literally just said they should reduce the cost of the capital hulls before you started your tirade...
Draclira Merlonne's Son
Higher Than Everest
Trigger Happy.
#164 - 2017-04-03 17:55:18 UTC
Mother will be proud. Pirate
Tara Read
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#165 - 2017-04-04 08:29:23 UTC
Draclira Merlonne's Son wrote:
Mother will be proud. Pirate



Hahahahaha nice. Lol
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#166 - 2017-04-04 20:54:40 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:

Actually, the capital T2 remote rep at max skills will cost the Dagon 487 Gj/s to run, and keep in mind this is with the cycle time reduction. The nos pulling in 100 Gj/s is a very significant chunk of capacitor income and can do a lot toward making the fit cap stable, which is a lot more than can be said for a T1 force auxiliary. So this ship is most definitely more cap stable than a T1 fax. But if the nosferatus are affected by the triage module, it'll pull in 400 Gj/s, making it easily cap stable running 2 reps and 2 nos, and it can have a third rep on standby for when the ship has some extra capacitor.



Sorry this is just wrong. First off, why on earth would they make triage effect the NOS bonus? No other FAX gets a NOS bonus in triage so unless they change the current bonuses, this just isn't possible.

The dagon also has far less of a capacitor pool to draw on than the apostle, due to the apostle's bonus to cap pool, making regen less.

You will STILL need a significant amount of cap regen in the form of cap boosters or something else. As I have said, you MAY be able to run your local reppers of a 3 NOS 2 RR 1 triage setup. The remote tank is FAR too cap intensive to be anywhere near stable.

As for the assertion that it is more cap stable than t1 fax, well... A ninazu with a single cap booster gets a 133 cap/sec bonus from its hull bonus ALONE, ignoring recharge. Same with the lif. So no, it is not more cap stable than t1 FAX, not by a long shot.

PLS, I look at this a lot, and I would rather CCP saw true information in here that might persuade them to look again at the role bonuses.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2017-04-05 03:19:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Mr Rive wrote:
Sorry this is just wrong. First off, why on earth would they make triage effect the NOS bonus? No other FAX gets a NOS bonus in triage so unless they change the current bonuses, this just isn't possible.

Maybe it should get a NOS bonus in triage. After all, the NOS is supposed to be its source of capacitor. If its capacitor problems as-is are as bad as you say, then CCP could give it a little role bonus:

Role Bonus:
150% increased capacitor gain from energy vampires while in triage mode (does not increase capacitor removed from target)
alternatively: does increase capacitor removed from target--nerfs ability to spider tank but makes it a strong EWAR ship

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#168 - 2017-04-05 10:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: HandelsPharmi
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Sorry this is just wrong. First off, why on earth would they make triage effect the NOS bonus? No other FAX gets a NOS bonus in triage so unless they change the current bonuses, this just isn't possible.

Maybe it should get a NOS bonus in triage. After all, the NOS is supposed to be its source of capacitor. If its capacitor problems as-is are as bad as you say, then CCP could give it a little role bonus:

Role Bonus:
150% increased capacitor gain from energy vampires while in triage mode (does not increase capacitor removed from target)



Would be exploited like this:

Bring 10 of these carriers on grid, and start a "cap chain".

Your NOS will remove X GJ of cap from me, transfer it with 150 % bonus to you and you will get 2.5X GJ of cap.
I will start my NOS on you and will get 1.5X net back ^^
Panther X
Dreadnoughtz Conclave
Requiem Eternal
#169 - 2017-04-05 14:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Panther X
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Sorry this is just wrong. First off, why on earth would they make triage effect the NOS bonus? No other FAX gets a NOS bonus in triage so unless they change the current bonuses, this just isn't possible.

Maybe it should get a NOS bonus in triage. After all, the NOS is supposed to be its source of capacitor. If its capacitor problems as-is are as bad as you say, then CCP could give it a little role bonus:

Role Bonus:
150% increased capacitor gain from energy vampires while in triage mode (does not increase capacitor removed from target)


That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. How do you take Y amount of energy from a target and turn it into Y times 150%?
You're creating energy from nothing.

150% increased capacitor gain from energy vampires while in triage mode

Fixed

Triage should turn this ship into a super vampire

My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#170 - 2017-04-05 17:11:50 UTC
Panther X wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Sorry this is just wrong. First off, why on earth would they make triage effect the NOS bonus? No other FAX gets a NOS bonus in triage so unless they change the current bonuses, this just isn't possible.

Maybe it should get a NOS bonus in triage. After all, the NOS is supposed to be its source of capacitor. If its capacitor problems as-is are as bad as you say, then CCP could give it a little role bonus:

Role Bonus:
150% increased capacitor gain from energy vampires while in triage mode (does not increase capacitor removed from target)


That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. How do you take Y amount of energy from a target and turn it into Y times 150%?
You're creating energy from nothing.

150% increased capacitor gain from energy vampires while in triage mode

Fixed

Triage should turn this ship into a super vampire


If it's not OK to "create energy out of nothing", I guess all cap chaining logi needs to be deleted.
Maiden Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#171 - 2017-04-05 20:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Maiden Mayaki
Molok should have a custom DD that consumes corpses and power of the dd is dependent on corpses consumed

edit: also now your April fools corpse collector makes sense and should be introduced
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#172 - 2017-04-05 20:22:10 UTC
Maiden Mayaki wrote:
Molok should have a custom DD that consumes corpses and power of the dd is dependent on corpses consumed

edit: also now your April fools corpse collector makes sense and should be introduced


If the custom DD is good, people will spam pod their alt to create fuel for it. If it isn't, people will flat out ignore it.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#173 - 2017-04-20 15:20:55 UTC
HandelsPharmi wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Sorry this is just wrong. First off, why on earth would they make triage effect the NOS bonus? No other FAX gets a NOS bonus in triage so unless they change the current bonuses, this just isn't possible.

Maybe it should get a NOS bonus in triage. After all, the NOS is supposed to be its source of capacitor. If its capacitor problems as-is are as bad as you say, then CCP could give it a little role bonus:

Role Bonus:
150% increased capacitor gain from energy vampires while in triage mode (does not increase capacitor removed from target)



Would be exploited like this:

Bring 10 of these carriers on grid, and start a "cap chain".

Your NOS will remove X GJ of cap from me, transfer it with 150 % bonus to you and you will get 2.5X GJ of cap.
I will start my NOS on you and will get 1.5X net back ^^


Just like remote cap xfers already do on T2 logi cruisers. Free Energy is real in Eve Online.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#174 - 2017-04-24 15:45:17 UTC
Soldarius wrote:


Just like remote cap xfers already do on T2 logi cruisers. Free Energy is real in Eve Online.


While it is more prevalent on Logi, all ships in the game using a cap transfer generate free energy.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#175 - 2017-04-24 19:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Soldarius wrote:


Just like remote cap xfers already do on T2 logi cruisers. Free Energy is real in Eve Online.


While it is more prevalent on Logi, all ships in the game using a cap transfer generate free energy.

This assumes that Cap transfers & PG costs don't burn reactant. While they generate free capacitor energy they consume PG, which nominally would place more stress on the reactors increasing fuel use.
Fortunately for us, fuel is part of the capsuleer package so we don't have to worry about it.

In any case, so it means these will be hard to neut out to shut down their local reps & hardeners, why is this a bad thing, I mean neuting out the kings of neuts/nos should be a hard thing.
egyhenger
Small Inefficient Tactical Unit
#176 - 2017-05-08 06:58:24 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Any word on how these are going to be acquired and the costs?

Are they going to be in line with the cost of the Serpentis Caps?



According to the recent funfest video, Blood Caps material cost will be 50% more than the regular counterparts
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#177 - 2017-05-08 22:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Bison
Read through all the Dev posts as I was looking for any info on any future plans for the other pirate factions release dates.
Or, will this remain a benefit to only a few "chosen" alliances?

Nothing clever at this time.

Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#178 - 2017-05-09 02:41:58 UTC
If you watched fanfest you'd know Guristas is next.
Grandpa Cholo
Mind Games.
WE FORM V0LTA
#179 - 2017-05-09 14:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Grandpa Cholo
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Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers
Initiative Mercenaries
#180 - 2017-05-09 16:49:00 UTC
Nasar Vyron wrote:
If you watched fanfest you'd know Guristas is next.


And Guristas may allow for Dreads and Titans to field fighters. Big smile