Intergalactic Summit

Why would anyone transport empty bottles across multiple systems through a border to fill them up with a product and then send for distribution? It's 18 jumps.

State, doesn't just shoot down freighters for no reason. If they were told to turn back from the border and refused , then that is good enough reason to bring them down. I for one trust our Navy , Customs and Police forces to do their job competently.

If it was just supply run , they should of rerouted through the Amarr Empire, its long way round, tensions are high between the two nations , border is closed.

They've failed to obey orders from Customs or something prohibited has been scanned on board.

If perchance somehow a terrible mistake has happened , i'm sure it will be investigated those responsible held to account.

Let us have some faith in the State and our Meritocracy comrades.

Seven freighters of empty bottles, kind of boggles the mind.

What kind of cash flow does Quafe enjoy if that much product is consumed. Pilots we all may be in the wrong business!

No, I don't expect anything of the kind, and you don’t owe me anything. You seem to be conflating what I say with what others have said.

Let us recall that you started this little tiff with a snarky insult. So please don’t’ complain if I resort to the same.

What offends me about you and yours is your abject intellectual dishonesty regarding your own bias. I expect you to resort to the same rhetorical tactics time after time, you are indeed more predictable than gravity. Your Navy, not Ms. Kim... but your Navy, just eradicated a flotilla of Quafe freighters.... If reports are to be believed there are no survivors. I think it has gone a bit beyond a few 'radical nationalists', don't you? So please continue with the 'theories' of how it wasn't the actions of a terrorist state, but a broad conspiracy of "Federal Nationalists".

When you are ready for a substantive discussion we will know it.

In the mean time please continue, you are doing so well at agitating.

Syagrius, when I offer theories such as that, it isn't with a statement of belief, but rather an exploration of alternative ideas. Indeed, if you look closely at my statements, you'll see that often I do specifically allude to the ambiguity of the situation, and the fact that it may very well turn out to be something worth scouring the SAF for. On the other hand, you've been quite vocal on your view that the State as an entity has obviously attempted to weaponize Kyonoke to attack the Federation, and have militated for total war on that basis, with no proof whatsoever of your unfounded belief. What's more, you have been consistent and direct in your barrage of insults, minor and major, over this affair.

So, I'll be frank.

Syagrius, I don't give a damn if you're offended. You're going to be offended at anything the Caldari do at this stage.

Ayallah is right on one thing. People will read what they wish to read.

Have you seen Diana's posts? She's happy four thousand Caldari citizens were killed by the Caldari Navy for doing nothing illegal. Real champion of the Caldari people, there.

I believe the implication is that they were also Federal Citizens or Ethnically Gallente by the wording. Also implies in addition to.

Quafe is the only Gallente corporation that has been given corporate status in the State so it is very likely that they were Federal citizens first. Additionally Quafe is a Gallente company as well as a Caldari one so their interests could be for their stock, basic human empathy for tragedy or fellowship for their fellow Gallente.

I suspect it is because they assumed they were of the Federation by birth and right though. Regardless, they have every right to be as involved as any of us Capsuleers.

Well, let's address these in the order you brought them up.

Tibus Heth was not a criminal when he became leader of the State, he committed crimes WHILE he was leader of the State. He was then removed from office for those crimes. Whilst it's become fashionable to see him as some sort of facist dictator, he was not, in fact such. He was trying to become some sort of dictator when he was removed from office for the attempt and he was never facist - merely populist.

Secondly, my form of Patriotism is the patriotism of the heart. There is no need for me to simplify and amplify that message, because I'm speaking with peers and my position is not bound in with my reputation. When one is a leader of a people, messaging and branding become a lot more important - I doubt any of the leaders of the State or any other faction of New Eden hold politics so simple or extreme as their public positions. It's easy for me to be the acceptable face of the Patriot bloc because I have no skin in the game of pretending to be anything other than I am.

Thirdly, Jaijii had very little to do with Heth's rise to power and very little to do with his inevitable fall. These things were Caldari choices. Will the Caldari choose to elevate another populist, centrist candidate? Another provist? No. I don't think so - although I'll admit that ratchetting tensions with the Federation always makes this more likely rather than less likely.

Of course a return to an extremist State would suit certain groups of people - not all of them within the State. I hope people bear that in mind when deciding what sort of actions to support.

I doubt their share your black and white ideals of the State if they are Federal citizens Pieter. It was likely just a merit or requirement of working at their job for them.

They could all be Archuran though, we simply do not know that much only that they worked for Quafe and that makes them corporate citizens in the State. For most non-Caldai baseliners a job is just a job and not synonymous with nation like it is for you.

Imagine how you can be a KK citizen but still be contracted to Ishukone I guess.

The Matari uprising wasn't quite in line with the laws of the Empire, either; what are we even talking about?