EVE General Discussion

so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game"

about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked.

tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up.

how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7

so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game???

I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month.

I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day.

I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul.

and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine.

so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it?

for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game.

I've tried that though, in fact i've autopiloted a battleship, with active killright, from dodixie, to rens, to jita, and then to amarr and nothing.... I mean wtf game are you all playing that is so damn lethal when I can make aroute like that on autopilot and not have anything happen?

A few get so angry about their own incompetence that they yell very loudly and make it seem like a bigger issue than it all is. The vast majority of players are just enjoying the same game you and I are, while a few take to the forums instead of adjusting their in game strategy

I like this thread

you can be a target and whine when you get hit, or you can be a boss and not give a **** and make that money.

personally I've been spending the last 10 years making dank isk, gotta risk it to win it. fly smart and it usually works and all that

last time I remember feeling like a "victim" was hulkageddon '08 since I was a hulk miner in ossogur at the time.

lost 2 hulks in the same week, damn near drove me to iskruptcy and out of the game.

hulkageddon '09 I mined like a madman in the 2 months leading up to hulkageddon and held on to it. and invested every isk I had in more hulks, and minerals... was broke AF for 2 weeks. but came out of it with my first billion. (which back then with plex being under 800 mil was quite a bit).

so where has the risk gone? sure code wasn't a thing yet, but they really don't seem to do all that much. at least not on the same scale as hulkageddon was.

so the question remains, did I accidently download the wrong game?

I think a better analogy would be the Media in real life painting a completely warped and sensationalized version of the truth, making certain things, people and ideas seem much more legitimate than they really are for an ulterior purpose.

Wow, I don't know what game you guys are playing. You're making it sound like this game is 'Hello Kitty'.

In the past +8 years that I've been playing this game I've had well over a dozen 'failed' Suicide Gank attempts done on me. I've also had at least a dozen Mission Invasions done by Ninja Salvagers / PvP Coercers stealing loot.

In fact, someone even paid a Merc Corp for an Assassination Contract on me. Took them 2 weeks and 6 Battleships -w- Combat Drones to finally catch me at an exploration site while I was engaged with NPC's. Yes my ship and pod was destroyed.

Hell, all of those events happened in High Sec space. I'm actually starting to think you guys are just Kumbaya alts of Warmonger Characters who do things like what I listed above.

Now I've lost a few ships to NPC's over the years but that Assassination was the only PvP loss I've had in this game. My loss record could have been much worse but thankfully one of the first things I learned in this game was the 5 P's :

Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance

So due to my own experience and events told by other players that I know in-game, I have no doubt that when players post those so called 'Rage' threads, the events described within them are indeed true.

Anyway, sorry for being so blunt and going off on a semi rant. In my opinion anyone who says there is no problem is actually part of the problem.



DMC

EDIT :

By the way, I got my 'Sweet Revenge' on the player who paid for the Assassination Contract by having a friend of mine sell him nonexistent 'Rage' chat logs.

i find the issues come mostly from jita 4-4 how random usually (russians) spam mtu's or mobile depots outside and spell words with them to lag up the system even more then it is now.

Miners being harrased simple solution find a system that doesnt have a stn

To get ganked at the Jita 4-4 undock is not that hard. Put a double-wrap package of one Tritanium into a shuttle and undock, drift out. When I pulled that off I got killed 15s after undock by a Svipul, netting me 20m in killright money. Getting ganked as a miner posed to be harder. I used to mine in an anti-tanked Retriever in a 0.7 system for weeks, but got ganked only after I moved to a 0.6 system.

Else, if you have some knowledge about the mechanics, EvE can be 99% safe, but of course this is not always fun.

I second what was said above, things like that happen and players not prepared post about it, the other 99% are just silent and play the game. Like with any other social media.

I never ever really see Jita undock. The moment grid loads, I warp to my insta undock bookmark and that's it.

As far as mining goes, the only gank attempts I got were close to Goinard and back in a time, when SC was actively hunting miners in the region. I did mine for about two years on the Caldari side of Uedama and never saw Code on grid.

@DMC: I've never seen a soul in my missions in Amarr or Gallente space. This was quite different though in Minmatar space. Mission invasion was a pretty regular event there.