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Am I playing the wrong game?

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#81 - 2017-05-04 18:21:56 UTC
NanDe YaNen wrote:
I'm making a new style of gameplay in Eve. I fly and make money. I don't haul. I don't always explore. I don't strictly need to be good at PvP, though I enjoy the rush. I repeat: I fly and make money.

The best place to go for rich economic play is null sec. I want to show people. I want them to succeed and freely zip all over the map and do what they do, but do it in null. I can take you on a tour. I can help you make your first null ISK.

I've begun offering to take pilots on a tour of nullsec in whatever ship they have (I can probably get them through) because I've realized a surprising number of those focused on economics never leave highsec.

The best economics are in nullsec. If you want to make things work when they do not work, the real wild wild west, then the rewards are there for the taking. If you really think you're interested in economic meta game or whatever, I guarantee you that nullsec is the place. I've been teaching someone on the public channel. Unsurprisingly they are killing it.

I see huge amounts of crazy assumptions about what is needed to trade in nullsec successfully.


  • You don't need an alliance!
  • You don't need a jump freighter!
  • The only thing you need to ever haul is ass!
  • No POS's or sov
  • No pirates
  • No permission
  • No 0.1-upping at the station


99% of null is just peaceful space and I spend a good amount of time watching alliance operations or hacking cans out of curiosity and to play cat & mouse games.

If you want to make more money than you make in highsec and have a lot more fun doing it while having so much free time not spent at the helm of a slow-ass freighter getting bumped every three months by CODE, please, accept my invitation to come fly around in nullsec and taste the freedom and profits yourself!

Find me in game or the corp that I've formed to encapsulate this push, the Liberal Universalists.

FYI I'm also into faction warfare and would be happy to gang with you while we dumpster pirates in lowsec, but this invite is all about just convincing people to get comfortable flying through gate camps and managing null rather than avoiding it.




^ this was me in 2010

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

NanDe YaNen
Moira.
#82 - 2017-05-04 19:14:42 UTC
Quote:
^ this was me in 2010


What was your experience?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#83 - 2017-05-04 21:04:45 UTC
NanDe YaNen wrote:
Quote:
^ this was me in 2010


What was your experience?



That most people are bears (even the PVPers) who want a nice predictable outcome that they can figure out in advance on a calculator and anything they can't min-max they are averse to.

As you have observed, they are focused on economics. Those who are not, are focused on stats. The latter will take up your offer and then gank you in lowsec. A corp tried that one me once in a wormhole except they made the mistake of the fleet actually being formed up on time without hours of delays and dumb crap. For that one time (to try and kill me) they all showed up, no excuses, no "oh wait the dog", nothing. So when they jumped, I didn't.

In due time I realized that even if you can "help" people, they don't want it. But I did use my travel skills to get into and out of nullsec easily and raked in lots of reward for it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#84 - 2017-05-04 23:53:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game"

1. about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked.

2. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up.

3. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7

4. so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game???

5. I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month.

6. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day.

7. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul.

8. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine.

9. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it?

for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game.



1. I don't use Jita for a reason, Amarr taught me enough and it isn't a problem.

2. Your scenario only exists if you untank a retriever in Caldari space that CODE literally travels through every day. Or wormholes, those assholes with Asteros dual scram fit. I didn't even realize the astero I had previously killed (who had 2 scrams) in a wormhole, till I lost a venture to exactly that situation with 2 ventures and 4 scrams. Then fell for it again in another wormhole. Highsec and quiet lowsec is just fine though, learn to0 mine professionally.

3. Because people with isk need something to do. Find another entrance to curse that isn't HED-GP, just go through great wildlands instead.

4. Don't be a game they can play.

5. Oops.

6. Nobody cares about procurers. If you are using them that is.

7. They are there, watching... Waiting.

8. So you didn't need my advise on 3 then. Those youtube videos of solo vindicators have to be rigged, didn't anyone have a curse? When I fly gallente they always have a curse.

9. Look for the systems people tell you to avoid.


Don't afk pve. Personal advise. ALSO don't assume a megathron can slowboat a room not shooting and open a can when really everything needs to die first.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#85 - 2017-05-04 23:59:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:



That most people are bears (even the PVPers) who want a nice predictable outcome that they can figure out in advance on a calculator and anything they can't min-max they are averse to.




I am the min of min-max. I can't stand the 1 isk and don't enter if I can't comfortably gouge their prices. If you are charging 10 mll more for an implant than they actually cost. I'm going out of my way to cut your price instead, and a lot of the time I liquidate like the Tv salesmen.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?