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How about a Beta clone?

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Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#61 - 2017-03-14 23:50:35 UTC
Actually....I just had a stroke of brilliance....they should just shave of half the price (or close to) of the omega clone IdeaPirateRollLolCoolBig smile

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#62 - 2017-03-15 00:21:01 UTC
I see you majored in finance...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#63 - 2017-03-16 08:55:00 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Actually....I just had a stroke of brilliance....they should just shave of half the price (or close to) of the omega clone IdeaPirateRollLolCoolBig smile


I was wondering if your corp could supply me with ore/pi/ships and modules for half price please Big smile

using the same reasoning you do i can't see why you guys can't supply me with the goods i seek for half their value.
you don't sell that much, not very many return to buy more from you so i was thinking why not just sell it all off at half the price to me. Roll

has the penny dropped yet?
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#64 - 2017-03-17 00:41:15 UTC
Fatima Foont wrote:
How about finding a way to make 15 bucks a month?


Selling my fat ass 50 yr old body only nets me 2 bucks a month and ive got a 'good corner' with a perfect nearby alley.

Thats why !

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2017-03-19 07:57:44 UTC
I think alphas get access to too much.


Here's an idea...

Alpha Clones:
* remove science and industry options
* disallow all faction and tech 2 stuff
* no industrials
* no Gnosis
* reduced ISK payout on project discovery


Beta Clones:
* industrials of any race
* frigates of any race
* cruisers of any race
* Gnosis battlecruiser
* faction modules and ammo
* very basic industry and science
* very basic PI
* full payout on project discovery
* $1/month


Gamma Clones:
* mining barges
* combat battlecruisers
* tech 2 frigates and destroyers
* tech 2 and deadspace modules
* navy and pirate frigates
* navy cruisers
* moderate science, industry, and PI
* $5/month

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Lillith Sakata
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2017-03-20 02:52:25 UTC
Honestly I'd say just keep it the way it is. Alpha and Omega clones are fine. If anything I'd say level the playing field a bit for Alphas (Gallente OP compared to others, and Amarr are almost trash). If it wasn't for cloaky eyes accounts I'd say give Alpha's cloaking... but I know it'd just be abused like crazy.

$15 bucks is one of the most reasonable game fees you can get these days. Most games go the microtransaction/twink route, or they end up with crazy high prices for subs. EvE has sat right in the affordable and valuable area for years now, which is what keeps me coming back to it.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2017-03-20 03:07:18 UTC
Lillith Sakata wrote:
Honestly I'd say just keep it the way it is. Alpha and Omega clones are fine. If anything I'd say level the playing field a bit for Alphas (Gallente OP compared to others, and Amarr are almost trash). If it wasn't for cloaky eyes accounts I'd say give Alpha's cloaking... but I know it'd just be abused like crazy.

$15 bucks is one of the most reasonable game fees you can get these days. Most games go the microtransaction/twink route, or they end up with crazy high prices for subs. EvE has sat right in the affordable and valuable area for years now, which is what keeps me coming back to it.


Exactly. That's 50 cents a day
You can't even feed a starving kid in Africa for that little
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2017-03-20 07:32:20 UTC
Lillith Sakata wrote:
$15 bucks is one of the most reasonable game fees you can get these days. Most games go the microtransaction/twink route, or they end up with crazy high prices for subs. EvE has sat right in the affordable and valuable area for years now, which is what keeps me coming back to it.

What games are you playing? $15 per month is the top rate, a handful of subscription-based games charge that but there's a greater number of triple-A MMOs that are free to play, running entirely on microtransactions. I've never seen any game more expensive than EVE Online, save for pay-to-win games.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#69 - 2017-03-20 08:55:31 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Lillith Sakata wrote:
$15 bucks is one of the most reasonable game fees you can get these days. Most games go the microtransaction/twink route, or they end up with crazy high prices for subs. EvE has sat right in the affordable and valuable area for years now, which is what keeps me coming back to it.

What games are you playing? $15 per month is the top rate, a handful of subscription-based games charge that but there's a greater number of triple-A MMOs that are free to play, running entirely on microtransactions. I've never seen any game more expensive than EVE Online, save for pay-to-win games.



The price of EVE in the 11 years i've played has never gone up, if you can't afford 15 bucks it's time to stop playing video games and get your shite sorted. 15 bucks is nothing, i'll blow that on lunch today.

only 50 cent a day and it's an issue only spells one thing, you're broke and need to get off games and get things in order.

I'm not saying you personally, i'm saying anyone who can't afford 50 cent a day.

I really don't see a need for anything beyond the alpha clone, it's not even confirmed by CCP that they worked as they expected.





elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#70 - 2017-03-20 11:10:02 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Lillith Sakata wrote:
$15 bucks is one of the most reasonable game fees you can get these days. Most games go the microtransaction/twink route, or they end up with crazy high prices for subs. EvE has sat right in the affordable and valuable area for years now, which is what keeps me coming back to it.

What games are you playing? $15 per month is the top rate, a handful of subscription-based games charge that but there's a greater number of triple-A MMOs that are free to play, running entirely on microtransactions. I've never seen any game more expensive than EVE Online, save for pay-to-win games.


My apologize for bringing up the unspeakable name but for games like WOW (there, I said it), you have to buy the expansion and the monthly fee to be able to not only connect to one but 923840274016545685485 different servers.

alphas only deserve level 1 at most and may not ever use lobotomy sticks.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2017-03-21 02:35:58 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
My apologize for bringing up the unspeakable name but for games like WOW (there, I said it), you have to buy the expansion and the monthly fee to be able to not only connect to one but 923840274016545685485 different servers.

alphas only deserve level 1 at most and may not ever use lobotomy sticks.

Sure, some charge a bigger up front fee than EVE does, but they are also far more single-account friendly. EVE may not be pay to win, but it sure is pay more to play better. EVE walks a fine line between being and not being pay to win: you can't just sink money into the game and expect to do well without having extensive experience with the game; on the other hand, if you are an expert player, you can just about pay your way to victory so long as you do all the work necessary to make your accounts worth their weight in biomass.

WoW, on the opposite end, is more of a win-to-not-pay kind of a game in that having experience with it enables you to run through it so fast you can be done with it in the span of a free trial.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
#72 - 2017-03-23 18:19:00 UTC
There definitely needs to be a change to clone states in order to keep eves numbers from declining.

The problem with Alpha Clones right now is that a month into playing dicouragement is high. After that, unless they pay, they have little to look forward to.

The ship limitations are the biggest problem.

They should allow alpha clones to fly almsot anything with the reduced training time (perhaps restrict them from skill injectors).

They presently can do little to make isk, further their eve career, PvP in a doctrine fleet (omegas fly too much variety), and they cannot even get into a mining barge.
Alpha clones feel like the cannon fodder of eve with no hope of progression.

Either make eve totally f2play (other than buying isk with RL money), make a beta clone that is dirt cheap to pay for, can do anything an omega can do, but at slower training speed, or bring back subscriptions with something like a 3-6 month free trial and/or extensive buddy programs to get people into the game.

The more I think about this the more I see what a problem Alhpa clones are. They can do so little!
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#73 - 2017-03-23 18:31:40 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
The price of EVE in the 11 years i've played has never gone up, if you can't afford 15 bucks it's time to stop playing video games and get your shite sorted. 15 bucks is nothing, i'll blow that on lunch today.

Not everyone lives in a first world country where 15 bucks results to almost nothing...

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2017-03-23 23:42:54 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Not everyone lives in a first world country where 15 bucks results to almost nothing...

Some of us do live in "the first world" yet pay 90% or more of our income to basic living expenses and have to cut out very low expenses like clothing, laundry, showers, haircuts, and food just to keep a roof over our head.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."