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Can we get rid of CSM after the recent PLEX insider trading fiasco?

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2017-03-16 21:38:42 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
A raise of 20% around the same time 2 things got nerfed and people announced army of alts would replace it is surprising?

You know, the "I will run a fleet of barge instead of mine in that POS rorq" and "Carrier rattign si dead, I'll run a fleet of afktar instead" people. Is it possible they might actaully ahve followed through with those ideas and bought PLEX to, you know, PLEX those accounts?


since when people follow through with their ideas? seems a good film to me Cool
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#22 - 2017-03-16 21:39:13 UTC
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
Plex prices go up and down all the time.

Proof? Or are you just spewing garbage.

Check PLEX price history for last 3 days. Disturbing. I don't believe last patch had some much influence.

Today we have devblog about PLEX changes. Price rising would start today not 3 days ago.

It stinks, PLEX is bought with real money and CCP may have real problems with that situation.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2017-03-16 21:39:28 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
A raise of 20% around the same time 2 things got nerfed and people announced army of alts would replace it is surprising?

You know, the "I will run a fleet of barge instead of mine in that POS rorq" and "Carrier rattign si dead, I'll run a fleet of afktar instead" people. Is it possible they might actaully ahve followed through with those ideas and bought PLEX to, you know, PLEX those accounts?


since when people follow through with their ideas? seems a good film to me Cool


Tippia did.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2017-03-16 21:40:47 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Soel Reit wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
A raise of 20% around the same time 2 things got nerfed and people announced army of alts would replace it is surprising?

You know, the "I will run a fleet of barge instead of mine in that POS rorq" and "Carrier rattign si dead, I'll run a fleet of afktar instead" people. Is it possible they might actaully ahve followed through with those ideas and bought PLEX to, you know, PLEX those accounts?


since when people follow through with their ideas? seems a good film to me Cool


Tippia did.


tippia is the only and one hero we deserve!
call tippia back!!!!!!!!!

one ray of light in a storm? Cool
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#25 - 2017-03-16 21:44:23 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Hardly any new PLEX being introduced compared to the many billions of AUR that will simply be erased from the game.

Keep in mind that you need 1000+ Aur to be considered for the conversion. Then remember that there are probably 500,000 characters in the game with leftover AUR that amounts to less than 1000 per character.

That's straight up theft by CCP to my mind and needs to have some careful discussion before this goes live. You buy AUR with cash and then find it gone one day?

Not good for business, CCP. Not good at all.

Old, new greed is good?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#26 - 2017-03-16 21:48:44 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Old, new greed is good?

Worked for Lehman Brothers.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2017-03-16 21:50:05 UTC
it's obvious that someone very high in CCP is cashing in and is ready to run with the money Cool
3..2...1.... BOOM! 200km/s Shocked
Girka Kring
Doomheim
#28 - 2017-03-16 21:55:10 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Second, this change is likely to introduce a lot of new PLEX onto the market in the form of spare AUR. Like, I've personally got about a PLEX's worth of AUR that I've never spent before that I got entirely for free, and a lot of others will have something similar. This influx of new PLEX will likely drop the price, not raise it, so it doesn't make sense for the price to be going up like this in response to a leak, if anything people would be selling their PLEX in anticipation of a drop in value.

Third, and running somewhat contrary to the last point. This change is months out so even with advanced info any kind of action is going to be hugely risky.


I would distinguish two important moments: before and after the new changes are implemented.

PLEX prices will jump even more after the changes were announced, due to all the ppl with less than 1000 AUR will want to get a PLEX. That's how, if the theory is correct, friends of CSM already made huge profits - since they were buying PLEX for a while now. The differences in PLEX prices, over the last 20 days, are so huge, that those involved ppl could have made trillions of ISK already.

PLEX prices will drop a lot after the announced changes are implemented - ppl will lose their AUR under 1000, so they won't be pushing PLEX prices and all the existing AUR above 1000 will flood the PLEX market. At this point CSM and friends should already converted everything to ISK.

Frostys Virpio wrote:
A raise of 20% around the same time 2 things got nerfed and people announced army of alts would replace it is surprising?

You know, the "I will run a fleet of barge instead of mine in that POS rorq" and "Carrier rattign si dead, I'll run a fleet of afktar instead" people. Is it possible they might actaully ahve followed through with those ideas and bought PLEX to, you know, PLEX those accounts?


I'd love to see some data about the sudden jump in the number of active accounts. However the public data SEE HERE suggest that the amount of active accounts is recently only decreasing.

I've seen ppl in many trade channels ingame asking why are PLEX prices rising so fast recently and noone so far had any convicing answer...

...until now, when CCP released the info that CSM had before everyone else.
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#29 - 2017-03-16 22:00:23 UTC
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Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#30 - 2017-03-16 22:05:04 UTC
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2017-03-16 22:09:09 UTC
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#32 - 2017-03-16 22:10:19 UTC
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#33 - 2017-03-16 22:17:47 UTC
Why would you want to delete the CSM because of someone cheating?

EVE is built on the premise of spying and lying. Infiltrating organisations and destroying them for profit and funzies.

It would be unrealistic to expect the CSM of EVE to work differently, where would the excitement be then?

All the politics and backstabbing of the elections of CSM are part of the attraction and unique nature of EVE.

Does any other game have a player council?

The player council is a meta-game which depends on the game of EVE and adds to EVE.

Sure, CCP devs probably hate the CSM representatives, but that's not because the reps come along pretending to know about the game and interfering with the devs' jobs, that's because the CSM doesn't know about deodorants.

~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#34 - 2017-03-16 22:17:51 UTC
Rather than speculate whether or not someone leaked (they did), the better question to ask is whether the CSM should be immediately disbanded?
Girka Kring
Doomheim
#35 - 2017-03-16 22:26:49 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
Why would you want to delete the CSM because of someone cheating?

EVE is built on the premise of spying and lying. Infiltrating organisations and destroying them for profit and funzies.

It would be unrealistic to expect the CSM of EVE to work differently, where would the excitement be then?

All the politics and backstabbing of the elections of CSM are part of the attraction and unique nature of EVE.

Does any other game have a player council?

The player council is a meta-game which depends on the game of EVE and adds to EVE.

Sure, CCP devs probably hate the CSM representatives, but that's not because the reps come along pretending to know about the game and interfering with the devs' jobs, that's because the CSM doesn't know about deodorants.


I'm not sure if CSM leaking info to their friends/big alliances is sth that the majority of players are supporting.

Spying/lying inside the game is fine, but when it comes to lying/spying outside of the game and regarding PLEX, so item bought for real money, that becomes really, really shady.

PS. Guys I appreciate all the links and understand that you are telling me: "duh, everyone knows about the corruption and nothing will change" but I'd really appreciate some real discussion about it.
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#36 - 2017-03-16 22:55:39 UTC
Real discussion - sure. A fraction (pittance) of the playerbase votes for the CSM. The vast majority of candidates elected are rubber-stamped by the major null-sec alliances and members are given their marching orders as to who to vote for. As such, the CSM represents the 1% of the 0.1% elitists of EVE.

We see at least one major CSM fiasco annually (CSM X really went the extra mile) and there have been so many leaks over the years that it's a wonder they even have an NDA (let alone try to enforce it).

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Sweet Adamas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2017-03-16 23:00:21 UTC
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
Plex prices go up and down all the time.

Proof? Or are you just spewing garbage.



Pure co incidence Big smile
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2017-03-16 23:01:31 UTC
Drake Aihaken wrote:

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."


or just nuke the planet and let them drift towards the limits of the universe!

#TowardInfinityAndBeyond
#ToyStory
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#39 - 2017-03-16 23:14:10 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
Why would you want to delete the CSM because of someone cheating?

EVE is built on the premise of spying and lying. Infiltrating organisations and destroying them for profit and funzies.

It would be unrealistic to expect the CSM of EVE to work differently, where would the excitement be then?

All the politics and backstabbing of the elections of CSM are part of the attraction and unique nature of EVE.

Does any other game have a player council?

The player council is a meta-game which depends on the game of EVE and adds to EVE.

Sure, CCP devs probably hate the CSM representatives, but that's not because the reps come along pretending to know about the game and interfering with the devs' jobs, that's because the CSM doesn't know about deodorants.

Pretty much this. You have to remember this is a company that not only created THIS game in the way it is today and you need to realize the playerbase. This is basically what Eve is about really. That this surprises people when it happens is amusing in the most delightful way. Its like saying water is wet and being surprised by it being true.

It would be amusing to be a fly on the wall of what goes on between the CSM and CCP as to what, when or how to say certain things or what not to say as well. It is an entirely different meta that is right.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2017-03-16 23:17:18 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Its like saying water is wet


interesting example watson! Bear