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try to mine one type of spodumain - on TQ- Bright Spod, on SISI - normal Spod.

But I got almost the same results. That's a huge nerf, just an overestimated nerf, and I still didn't see explanations from CCP to this differences in mining volume. CCP has announced ~25% nerf.

But I though the narrative was that carrier/super ratting was dead because of fighter sig and rat aggro change. Can someone tell me what the narrative is supposed to be now?

Prepare for pointless 600 word dissertation heralding the necessity of the overnerf using:

• unsubstantiated guesswork based on 'maths'

• inaccurate representation of best-case values while plain ignoring information that would have a significant impact on said values

• sketchy understanding of markets
  • no understanding of nullsec production
  • blinkered statements regarding anom mining

• cherry-picking values and statements from the few (trolls included) who seem to support the changes: and

• vague statements regarding the very mechanics we're bemoaning the unfairness of, based on what 'my friends told me' rather than any actual experience.

It shouldn't matter about the isk value of the item, we should be comparing quantities there, and from the look of things, the quantity's pretty severely diminished. These values are of course subjective, but if the pilot set everything bar the actual quality of the ore right (distance from roid and similar quantity in roid being the 2 that spring to mind) these values are pretty distressing.

Because it's wrecking the ability of anyone in High Sec or anyone without a Rorqual or a fleet of Exhumbers to make a living from mining. Also, based on the numbers we players can see from CCP, it looks like the total volume of ore is currently vastly exceeding the amount being used. That sort of over-supply isn't good for the economy or for the long-term viability of mining as a profession.



You can absolutely counter the mechanic, either scram your own drones to make them boosh-proof or keep an eye on local and recall your drones when someone shows up. Between a combination of the two you should still be able to get your drones within range of a normal T2 scram even if they start 15km away before a CD can land on grid and start booshing.

As for the value of these drones anything in Eve is pretty much always "early adopter beware" because the price always drops over time.



CCP announced a 25% nerf to ideal yields, they flat out say in the first post on this thread that the change is to ideal yield.



You forgot passive aggressive ranting in place of an actual debate and misconstruing of arguments and evidence you disagree with in place of evidence.

Also apparent abuse of the list function instead of adding new bullet points. Wow

Ideal?

Please go to SISI and just sit on spodumain rock at 0 for 1hour mining and than to TQ in same conditions. IT will not be ~25%. What ever you will say it will not be a 25%, it will not be even 30-40%, you will get ore as you are mining on hulk.

Devs choose to hide real information from people. who are lazy to go into test server and see what they will get with 14 March patch

Reading your posts I'm more thinking you are living in different universe and playing on your own EvE sever : )

A reminder for anyone panicked without having tested themselves:

In a colossal nullsec anom, only some rocks are gigantic. Most rocks are still small. This is not a blanket 75% rorqual nerf.

On the largest spod, without drone speed rigs and proper placement, I do believe you'll see yields fall by 75% vs. current values.

But most rocks will be small enough for little yield reduction beyond the advertised 25% excavator nerf. And if you pack on drone speed rigs and park your rorqual intelligently, it won't be as bad.

Spoiler Alert: Optimize your mining fleets by bringing barges to hit the big rocks from the beginning of the anom, use your rorquals on small rocks first.

I'm not looking at the estimated ISK, but at the actual quantities of mined ore. The size of the asteroids themselves is different, and if a person goes after a Bright Spod rock in one place that's small and the Spodzilla on the test server, it's going to make a huge difference in yield.

I don't have a Rorqual of my own to test it with on my own, unfortunately, but without having seen the actual tests conducted by my own eyes, I'm extremely skeptical as to the true use of this test.

You don't need a CCP response to what has always been the logic....

The Rorqual, a Capital Industrial Ship, has always been supposed to be the central boosting and compression hub of a mining 'fleet' of mining barges. This is no different to the same logic that has always intended that a Capital Ship cannot operate properly without sub-caps in support (that's indeed why they can actually carry them - although hardly ever used in combat situations).

Provided that, and a future pass may be needed, it is better than an Orca doing it and that better than a Porpoise - and is actually used; then we'll approach 'balance'.

Are you role playing right now??

Rorquals were re-introduced as the best mining ships in nullsec. They are a huge investment. I think everyone agrees their yield was too high when they came out and an adjustment was needed. It's been awhile and perhaps it's still a little bit too high (up for debate) so a minor adjustment could be seen as reasonable.

The changes they are proposing are not an "adjustment". They are severe and drastic. It shows that there is a bigger problem than the rorquals themselves.