Warfare & Tactics

This has already been said, but I think the Tier system for rewards is bad. And I agree with the CSM wanting to get rid of it.

Make it all Even instead... Rewards should be higher for higher ranked members of the militia, encouraging loyalty and participation.

The problem with the Tier system as it stands is that it's not a carrot on a stick, it's a feast on a stick. T1 vs T5 is more than a 6x payout difference. When a T5 O-Plexer can make 160m/hour in a frigate, but his counterpart is lucky to make 30m/hour assuming both are uncontested, there is a huge difference, and instead of encouraging the horse to go faster, the rider simply gets on the other horse.

I know it does because I've been on both ends of the stick and have had these sorts of discussions with the main content creators in my militia for the past several years.

Then you maybe looking at the wrong warzone while amarr / minmatar maybe in constant flux of tier 4-5 and what not that is down to it being a pure farm zone.

The Gallente / caldari warzone is nothing like that snd most timnes only ever reaches t3 for oneside and maybe t1-2 dipping for the losing side but constantly fought over. Yes they have some farmers im not saying they dont but they dont effect the day to day stuff even a quarter as much as the opposite warzone

Also most LP comes from missions any farmer worth thier salt wouldnt be in plex, the problem is nothing like it was maybe 2 to 3 years ago you seem to have old information

Your last comments showed exactly how out of touch you are with the demographic and have only listened to what your goon friends have told you who have farm alts in minnie / amarr

so everything is ok, gal-cal is healthy and nobody gives a **** about amar-min peasants...

Farmers have the power to swing the pendulum and to keep it in the air for a long time. This is an issue. Ofc you cant stop the farmers but we should limit their impact on the rest of us.

If you're interested in just pvp, my experience says that you want the tier level as low as possible. That leads to more pvp because the other side thinks it's winning.

But it's not a "farm" OR "fight" question. It's a "farm while you fight" question.

wrt tier levels - when enough of our guys want to make more LP, we boost the tiers. When we want to maximize the isk/lp we lower the tier. When we want to capture systems, we try to boost it. When we feel like the warzone is getting a bit out of hand, we'll decide to boost it too. On the rare occasion where there's an opportunity to take the entire warzone, we'll boost it as high as we can. In general, however, you don't want to boost the Tier levels for no reason because you'll crash the FW LP market.

Lots of reasons to try to manipulate the tier levels, and to do so you need to capture systems. Capturing systems leads to pvp, which is what we want too.

Selling at tier 5 usually gets around 400 - 500 ISK/LP.

Selling at tier 1 usually gets over 2000 ISK/LP min.

So in reality most people at tier 1 will be earning around 2/3 of someone at tier 5.

This is subject to market variables and ignores those that wait until their LP farmed at tier 5 is worth more due to their militia falling from tier 5 to tier 1. Since, by virtue of their existence, they have no problem with the isk they are making its easy to exclude them from consideration.

Sultonias posts reminds me of that other guy who said he was a perfect candidate to represent FW at CSM due to him rolling a farming character for a couple of months during infernos first iteration. Claiming to represent FW while seeming to have a shallow understanding of how things currently work, is nothing more than a blatant grab for cheap, currently unaligned votes.

How can anyone expect good ideas from someone who thinks that tier 5 automatically gives 6+x the isk than tier 1?

Neither tier 1 or tier 5 give any type of payout. You are rewarded with LP, that LP has a variable value and its down to player choices how much that is worth. Even the worst choice is still one of the better incomes in EVE.

Capturing the right systems does. In general, the more the other side decides they care about a given system, and the more they are active in your TZ, the larger volume of fights.

If the other side doesn't care, then there's nothing you can do about it and you're not going to get fights. But that dynamic applies to every other aspect of this game as well.

Scialt welcome to the huge club of players who joined fw and wondered wtf is this.

Nobody cares about the vast majority of systems and nobody has for many years. That is because you best win sov by running away.

You do have to choose between farming or fighting if you want to be halfway efficient at either. That is why the top vp gainers for a day or a week are almost always flying stabbed or empty ships.

Don't let Crosi and XG make you disbelieve what you see with your own eyes.





I don't think that the fw pays too much. But if you just wanted isk you would be foolish to spend allot of time plexing at tier one when you can plex at a higher tier and simply hold onto your lp until the market swings your way. Minmatar are at tier 1 and they can not get 2k lp for buy orders for any items the other stores don't have.

To talk about this in depth would mean going into disparates in the lp store etc. Its pretty clear Gallente have an excellent lp store (eg. nomens buy orders are less than half those of navy vexors yet we still see 50% more vexors being sold. and lets not even look at the huge disparity for lol navy caracals and ospreys.) of and for the longest time Gallente had the hardest fw missions which meant that there aren't as many people with as much lp ready to crash the market.

So it is not surprising their lp store has not flattened out like so many others. But even if there is some slight fluctuation based on tier level there is no reason any of the farmers must sell when the market is low. So of course large numbers of farmers are going to go with the feast instead of the stick and gain huge amounts of sov for the winning side.

To say that since the farmers don't mind the amount of isk they receive, we can ignore them, demonstrates you do not understand the problems so many others see with faction war.