Market Discussions

Greetings all,

I am posting here to officially announce our market operation, the aim of which is to provide a neutral offshore free trading option for all traders of New Eden.

We are a continuation of the original much loved Planet V Trade hub; the first major player owned trade hub to exist in the game, and we look to continue to offer the same great service; providing low broker fees and free trade to the traders of New Eden.

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The Future of Free Markets


Nullsec alliances have been attempting to extort ISK from anyone looking to provide trade hubs around Jita. This is an unwelcome development indeed, and it is sad to see that some operators have succumbed to this pressure and are looking to pass these costs onto the trading community through high broker fees. Unstopped, this will eventually result in exorbitant broker fees as the nullsec alliances demand increasingly more.

We vow to never succumb to the demands of the null sec alliances by paying extortion money. It is all too clear that In doing so would be of detriment to the future of trading around Jita.

Currently our presence alone is enough to drive down the fees of all operators in the area, although it is for this reason that our competitors will resort to anything in order to destroy our operation. Be under no illusion, if our trade hubs were to disappear overnight, broker fees would increase dramatically. I have had confirmation of this from our main competitor who is struggling to meet the extortionist's demands whilst maintaining the current low broker fee being offered.

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What We Offer


Planet V Trade will always offer the following at all of our market hubs:

• We will charge no more than a 0.1% public broker fee at all of our structures.

• We will offer a permanent 0.0% broker fee to traders who are willing to support us.

• We will replace any market hub which is lost to ensure you are able to continue trading.

• We will never lock anyone out, or prevent them from seeing orders placed in any of our hubs unless attacked.

• We will never pay a single ISK in extortion money to entities looking to make profit from traders.

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Trading at Our Market Hubs


We aim to have a market hub active within one jump range of the major market hubs located in the The Forge, Domain, Sinq Laison, and Metropolis.

We have a significant amount of capital to invest in order to ensure we are able to continuously replace any market hub which is lost, and all assets can be securely transferred via tether to tether citadel docking mechanics. For those that are able to wait for 5 days you are able to use asset safety to instantly transfer your assets to the new market hub.

By trading with us, you will never lose any items which you store in our structures, and can freely recover them at any time using asset safety.

(Asset Safety)
(Citadel Ship Tethering)

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Support Planet V Trade


The future of free markets in New Eden is at stake, and we hope you will consider supporting us by trading in our market hubs.

For further details please join the in game channel 'Planet V Trade', or feel free to contact me via mail or through this thread.

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We are moving this thread to the new forums, the new thread can be found here.

..Thanks for making this public and putting your operation out in the open to be scrutinized.

Are you on the Haulers Channel's Citadel White List?



How much ISK does it take to become a supporter?



I don't want all the tiny citadel markets. I want to trade in a large market. The biggest reason Citadels haven't put Jita and Amarr out of business is because they are so fragmented, and none have emerged as the single top dog. The direction you are headed in will dilute my operations, why would I support that?

Moac Tor is a trustworthy friend. He has offered me great help in organizing defense of the planet v trade hub, and he also has invested a lot of isk to keep this service running. And I think to keep this service runninng healthily, a service fee of 20mil or higher per structure is more reasonable than for lifetime

Thank you for your feedback and questions which I will try and answer as best as I can (I have also added the responses to the Q&A secion).


"Are you on the Haulers Channel's Citadel White List?"

I have not made any arrangement to be on the haulers channel white list, although this is certainly something we could look into if doing so would be beneficial to anyone looking to use our market hubs. Currently a lot of offshore trade is done through remote buy orders, and in selling easy to transfer PLEX based goods. In the future I could certainly see more tangible goods being sold on our market as our operation becomes more established. As we are based within one jump of Jita for certain items it will certainly make a lot of sense to transport items to one of our market hubs to avoid the Jita broker fee.

Thank you for this suggestion, I will look into this as we develop.


"How much ISK does it take to become a supporter?"

The answer to the question regarding becoming a supporter is answered in the posts above, and I will also add this to the Q&A section.


"I don't want all the tiny citadel markets. I want to trade in a large market. The biggest reason Citadels haven't put Jita and Amarr out of business is because they are so fragmented, and none have emerged as the single top dog. The direction you are headed in will dilute my operations, why would I support that?"

In regards to operating multiple hubs around Jita, this is done for a number of strategic reasons. As we do not pay extortion ISK we need to be able to replace market hubs efficiently when under attack, and by limiting ourselves to a single system it makes it easy for any potential attackers to wardec our market hubs before they are able to online. By operating in multiple systems surrounding Jita it makes it far more difficult for any potential attacker to disrupt our operation, and thus allows us to continue to offer our service. Any operation that is static will be at the mercy of extortionists and will not be able to maintain low broker fees indefinitely.

In the longer term then a single market hub will likely emerge as the most popular, and we will then continue to keep the remaining market hubs active in order to maintain visibility, provide confidence, and to dissuade potential attackers.

Also most of the traders who use our markets sell PLEX based items and so are highly mobile, and all of our markets will be within one jump of Jita which makes it simple to remotely buy items from Jita and then transport them to the market hubs for sale avoiding the Jita broker fee. For these reasons we feel this strategy provides the right balance between being able to efficiently maintain our operation, whilst still providing a valuable service to traders of The Forge.

What happened to the "we will keep our rate to 0.0% permanently (It applies to all future structures. This is not rounding down...)"? You seem to now be demanding a "donation".

Also, weren't you behind the Planet V Trade Hub that had random tax hikes to 50% tax? You kept telling people to continue trading there despite the tax hikes.

Here is another one from you where you encourage people to trade in the citadel with random tax hikes.

And another one: http://i.imgur.com/n7DrkmO.png

In each of these you knew that the citadel was scamming people yet you encouraged them to continue using it. Why should we trust you now that you have lost almost all of your clients?

Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now?

Before he hired the mercs to fight Horde, he was using them to bully other market owners into shutting down or raising their rates so he could increase his profits. So the extortionist was just replaced with another.

I'm also fully support ♔ Planet V - Offshore Trading!

True.

Right now every trade hub around Jita (except Moac Tor's Planet V) is either ceased its operations\destroyed or is paying extortion money to Pandemic Horde. Planet V is literally the last oplot standing. As soon as it falls they will raise fees immediately and we will get similar fees like we have in Dodixie's player owned hubs.

I'm happy to see someone came up with the 0% fee for ISK. I'd pay ~50m/month to get that service, along with a mailing list that is well updated and transparent about attacks.

Funny, since I have those same mails that you sent me. Remember? When you forced me to raise my taxes and said that, next time, it wouldn't be VMG that you hired to bash my citadels.