Science & Industry

TL;DR: Do factory PI (converting P2 to P4) in Perimeter; it's not aids, here's a guide (free) and a spreadsheet (for sale), and very lucrative for minimal effort.

There are 3 major problems that keep people from doing the most profitable form of Planetary Interaction, factory-only P2 to P4 chains:

1. Setting up PI is a major pain in the ass if you don't know what you're doing. If you do know what you're doing, it's just a quick and painful clickfest.
2. Figuring out what P4 is profitable.
3. Determining how much of which P2s you need to run your factories for "x" amount of time.

I've solved all three of these problems, and now I'm here to show you how it's done.

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Problem #1: The setup

So what is the most efficient setup, and what skills do you need? What ship should you fly, and how should you fit it without requiring more skill training on an alt? How many skill injectors do I need? How much tax do I need to account for? What's the setup cost? What's the p2 input cost?

All of these are valid, and very important questions to getting PI "right." All of these are answered in this HowDoI PI video, and each step is walked through so you can follow along at your own pace to replicate the setup yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8dvL__RYlE

The video walks you through two different setups, one for people with Command Center Upgrades 4 (which enables you to efficiently make Nano-Factory, Organic Mortar Applicators, and Sterile Conduits) and one for us autists with CCU 5 (which enables you to efficiently make Broadcast Node, Integrity Response Drones, Recursive Computing Modules, Self-Harmonizing Power Cores, and Wetware Mainframes).

The video also provides all of the following necessities to make a perfect P2 to P4 chain:

• Skill Requirements
• Ship Fitting (with no additional training)
• Factory PI setup
• Startup costs
• P2 daily input costs
• Profitability
• Hauling

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Problem #2: What is profitable?

Currently, every single P2 to P4 chain is profitable at the 6% Perimeter POCO tax rate even if you get your P2 from Jita Sell, and list your P4 on Jita Sell. Keep in mind you are in Perimeter, and as such don't have to worry about shipping costs since you're right next to Jita (cuts down on any additional time required, and removes any shipping fees, a major profit-killer). As of this post, here is the current profitability of each P2 to P4 chain (6% POCO tax, 0 shipping cost, 0.1% broker's fee because the IChooseYou Fortizar, 1% sales tax), with the columns labelled as "input method -> output method:"

http://i.imgur.com/89wSE7l.jpg

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Problem #3: How much P2 do I need?

Simply put, if you are following the CCU4 guide, you need 1,920 of each p2 required (and 3,840 of the p1) per planet for 24 hours of run-time. CCU5 guide? 1,440 of each p2 per planet for 24 hours of run-time.

That's all well and good, you say, but how can I track which p4 is most profitable, or how much of each p2 I need if I'm running P2 -> P4 chains of multiple types of P4 and have a fluctuating inventory of P2?

When things get complicated, EVE does best in spreadsheet form. Again, I have a solution, but this is for sale as it's directed towards the more mass-industry minded folk than a simple newcomer to factory PI.

Here's a video of the spreadsheet in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w79XUvT_OaY

If you're interested in purchasing, please see my EVE forum post. I have many very satisfied buyers, and I provide all updates free of charge.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=512203

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But HowDoI, I don't understand or like percentages, how much can I expect to make per character?

At the current rates and following either my CCU4 or CCU5 guide in the video, profit per character (this means 5 planets of P2 -> P4 chain) at the Jita Sell -> Jita Sell listed above is 14m-80m per 24 hour cycle. At the Jita Buy -> Jita Sell (most common method used), 51m-172m per character per 24 hour cycle in pure profit.

But but HowDoI, there's a ton of extra time involved outside the 6-8 minutes per character of moving P2 and P4 between citadel and POCO, isn't there?

Yes and no. If you get all your P2 through Jita Sell, then there is barely any additional time since you're in Perimeter and don't need to worry about using a jump freighter service. If you're using buy orders and are patient (update once or twice a day), they will fill with varying times depending on how much you're making and of which types of P4.
Also, my spreadsheet linked above conveniently displays whether it's better to just use Jita Sell, or to make buy orders, according to current prices and accounting for all taxes and fees.

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So there you have it. PI is now easily reachable and POCO tax-cheap (use Perimeter), with no shipping costs/wait times (use Perimeter), and you have a step-by-step video to walk you through whichever format you desire to use. Additionally, my spreadsheet provides a plethora of extremely useful isk and time-saving information/calculations, no matter where your PI setup is in New Eden, so give it a look and decide if it's worth it for you!

Thanks for reading, now get out there and do some PI!

Regards,
Shot

Lol, you seem really desperate for ISK.

Ofcourse they are desperate of isk . The recent Pandemic Heist remains a major butthurt deeply in their wallets and they try to find ways to make money fooling people around.


Also there is a lie about IchooseYou fortizar broker's fee. The rate is not 0,1% as the OP says. This is not true. It is and allaways will be 0% FOREVER.

See the proof with your own eyes.


PANFAM broker's fee is higher


Clearely some one is trying to fool us all. Nice try have a nice day.

The Code. will be monitoring the Perimeter traffic more closely.

Can honestly say I wasn't expecting the conspiracy theories to come flooding out of the woodworks. Even if they were true, why not make the money while the getting is good, just like rorqs, rather than not play at all?


This reads like someone who's income is threatened and is grasping at straws to try and dissuade people who already do high-sec PI from doing it at the cheapest high sec (and closest to jita) POCOs there are.

Also, the perimeter ICY fort has been seeded with 14b of P2, and more is on the way daily.

1 it didn't cost PH anything, it hurt some of the members. I haven't seen any solid evidence of total numbers, and your goon link's 100b is pure speculation without proper screenshots.

2 1% is a large difference for some people, to others not so much. No disagreement here, low taxes are good for everyone.

3 Launching up in space is just fine too. More tedious, yes, but it works. I see no problem with doing that.

4 TBH Gobbins was not happy I linked the spreadsheet sale thread, but I did that for my own profits and has nothing to do with him.

5 Rumors and anecdotal fallacies from someone linking goon news. I belieb u bb, iz ok.

6 The PI market is much too large to be controlled by one party. I'd love to see factual, empirical evidence of this occurring. Otherwise, more ~~narrative~~ from a goon pet.

7 PI is profitable in all secs, with equal profitability between NS (paying shipping fees) and HS (no shipping fees, no broker fees in perimeter, no hauling time). I have backed this up with the images linked in the original post. Factual, empirical evidence.

8. ~~~~Thinking~~~~~~~~~~

1 You skipped this one, but answered 2 instead. Maintaining a low tax to spur the economy and in turn drive more use for more revenue is what worked with citadels. I don't see POCO taxes shooting up like your ~rumors~ have led you to believe. The minor spike in temporary profit would not be worth the long-term reduction.

4 If you weren't interested you wouldn't have brought up your conspiracy theory in the first place.

5 Link goon narrative, spin the same anti-horde narrative, whether or not you're a goon you toe their line. Not an issue if you admit it (like how I toe the PH line).

6 If you can't show the evidence, it's speculation and requires trust in the speaker (you). You have failed to provide actual evidence, and instead provided speculation, anecdotes, and opinions that you preface with the word "fact." Unfortunately, simply declaring an observation a fact does not make it a fact in truth.

If you refer to my comments I remind you that I never commented on stop doing PI at all. Just a reminder that the taxes of Perimeter are going to raise by a woping 8% like they did in New Caldari. It is an intel i share with the community for the common good. Just install your command center establish your factories and/or extractors and you will see.

My $0.02:

a 51m video on PI?

nearly an HOUR? all in one hit?

no thank you.
script it, edit it and get it down to around 10 minutes.
If it requires more time, split it into five-to-seven minute chapters.

Thanks for posting this. Never knew people had openly released PI charts like these. Will make deciding what P4 to run in my WH much easier.