EVE New Citizens Q&A

No

With reference to non anger inducing, that depends on you. Like CS, Eve is a PvP game; one with a full loot mechanic which means that when your ship explodes some of the contents also explode. The surviving contents go to whomever gets them first; the game doesn't give it back to you. Furthermore activities which are forbidden in other games, like scamming and extortion, are allowed here.

In Eve you will lose ships, people can, and will, kill you any place, any time and for any or no reason, this is allowed.

If you take it personally then Eve is not the game for you, you will end up angry and make yourself look silly.
If you regard your ships as expendable, as in they going to explode eventually, then yes Eve is quite possibly the game for you.

You have to ask?

No, seriously though, this game is a combination of happiness and pure abject rage.

I only play anymore for the laughs, and to spread my knowledge to other that are wanted to play this adventure to experience it (see signature).

If you want to experience getting your head bashed in, repeatedly, but are smart enough to learn from the experience and mellow enough to enjoy the lesson, the welcome to the sandbox. Open a Quafe and kick back to the mayhem that is about to confront you.

If you are the type to throw the controller across the room because you lost a whole 45 minutes of play... go elsewhere. This game will kick you in the @$$, chop off bits of your emotional anatomy, pure-a it in a blender, and then sell it on eBay for $500. There is no running back from the graveyard to recover your stuff.

Did you just spend three weeks building something, or working to buy something, and then lose it in 30 seconds? WELCOME TO THE CLUB! Want to cry about it on the forum? Welcome to another club, the club of war decs and bounties... Oh sure, you can cry about it and threaten to leave... but everybody will laugh at you and show you to the door... all the while CCP repeatedly giving you the EULA or non-moderation warnings... and everybody else laughs.

You still here?

You sure?

OK, so now a bit of reality: I work in IT. I often ask new hires if they play video games. Often they say yes. When I ask what games, they tell me.

Here lies my interest. A person that says yes... they often expound on the games they play.

Once in a while, I find an MMO player.

What MMOs?

Most say WoW, some say various, but I just nod and smile and try to carry on with the interivew...

But often, the hardcore guys say, "Wait, what do YOU play !?!?"

Pause. Smirk. I look them in the eyes and say, "Eve Online"

I wish I could have a camera. Half look at me like I'm a sadist, the other half look at me in fear.

I WAS THERE!

LOL!

-MadMuppet

Eve gives an even more amazing feeling when it comes to beating tough challenges. however it can be anger inducing and not very mellow on the path to success, also future success isn't guaranteed.

what your personality is like and your personal threshold for "anger" or "mellow" will really be the determining factor. there are a lot of things that I think are pretty mellow, but are very anger inducing to others. There is also dramatic swings between slow and maybe even a little boring and super fast paced.

What specifically about the tutorial is making you think you won't like it?

Griefers fit right in to EVE.

More generally, EVE has some odd characteristics for a PvP game:

• "Fair/balanced" PvP (both sides equal chance to win) is rare in EVE at any scale. This excludes a lot of PvPers from other games, especially modern multiplayer RTS games: the transition from "fair PvP as a game design objective" to "unbalanced PvP as a natural emergent property of the game" can be jarring.
• Unusually slow start up due to the need for basic skills (in-game Skill Points). This can be dealt with by spending RL cash though
• PvP consumes in-game resources, so you have to "pay" ISK to PvP. This has a much greater effect when you're starting up than later on. Again, it can be dealt with by spending RL cash
• Small-scale PvP fighting is simpler than other games, because any one "tactical" ship will have relatively few things it can do. This isn't an issue with larger battles of course - it just means each side fields a mix of ship types
• There's a lot less actual fighting than any other modern PvP game I've ever played, or even heard of. This is a side effect of the lack of fair fights. You can easily get into fights if you're sure to lose of course, but this is, unsurprisingly, not a popular style of play. (queue stupid comment about suicide ganking being an exception in 3, 2, 1 .... /lol)

On the plus side, much of the "territory" is "player-ownable space", so there are large-scale wars and battles between player organizations (Corps and Alliances) over territory. This is less common than EVE's press would suggest, but it's still a definite high point compared to most current MMOs.

Here is a time-saver tip for you: The very foundation of Eve Online is CONFLICT. Eve gameplay design is conflict-driven.

The moment you undock your ship someone might want to destroy it, for fun or profit. To undock (purchase/build, fit) that ship you will have to invest game time or real life money (unless you decide to fly only the initial/basic corvette).

If you manufacture or trade without ever undocking you can be scammed ( a legal feature of Eve gameplay) out of everything you own.

I have never played any other MMOs but judging by the information on these forums Rage-Quitting is a "thing" for a good number of Eve players, new and old.

If you can handle conflict without anger, then Eve is your game. Otherwise look elsewhere (I am referring to your question regarding the "non anger inducing game").

Fly safe (in EVE or elsewhere)!

Aren't we all to some degree? Just the other day I was thinking about podding someone because they failed to suicide gank my exploration fit Heron.

*In Jita, without smartbombs xD

No, it is only worth a 1000 hours of your time...

Whereas once you reach that amount of time, you will quit in angst and frustration and you will happily give me all your stuffz.

If you let yourself get frustrated easily, then this is probably not a game you would enjoy. EvE rewards persistence EvE is more of a hobby than game anyway, really. As with any hobby, if you enjoy doing it then it is serving it's purpose and is worth doing.

As for mellow...well...mostly no. There are players in EvE who do perhaps more mellow things like mine asteroids, do industry (building things), run missions or planetary interaction (harvesting resources from planets) and there are players in EvE who enjoy more intense things such as ship pvp in it's many forms or wormholes, etc.

One of the best things about EvE Online is that it is single-shard. All the aforementioned players can interact with each other. All the EvE players in the world (except China, for real-world reasons) are in the same universe with each other.

Try it out, you might really like it. If you don't, that's fine, not everyone does. Thanks for checking our hobby out. Just please if you do decide to move on, don't be one of those who gripes and complains loudly about it.

Best luck!

Granted I'm not the PvP expert here so I am posing this more as a question that a statement of fact. I do understand that fitting what you would like to fit early on can be tight but if you are smart with your fits you can get around that without having to wast a bunch of slots on fitting modules.

That being said... I am told and have experienced Eve to be more of a rock, paper, scissors thing than a strait up slug fest. On top of that fair and even fights almost never happen in Eve. Add into that the success that Suitonia has shown again and again on alts with only a few hundred thousand skill points and I'd say that you are giving too much credit to skill points.

Sure 5% difference might be a big deal in a game where you have roughly even characters as far as numbers and skill and power and "moves" goes. However way too often I've seen a 3 v 2 turn into an 8 v 3 which then someone lites a cyno and local suddenly gets a scroll bar. maybe in FW you might get some fairly even fights from time to time but it's extremely rare that I even hear of a close to fair fight in Eve much less see one. There is a saying in this game "if you find yourself involved in a fair fight something went horribly wrong".

From my personal experience I can say that I thought much like yourself when I was new. Then after playing the game for a couple years I made an alt and started all over running pirate faction missions in null sec. I had a much much easier time on that low skill point alt at the end of it's first month than I did on my first character at the end of my first year.

Having been lurking in the NC Q&A for several years now I can say I see two types of stories repeated from time to time. The first one is the character that thinks that they can buy their way to being good in this game and buy either skill points or bling or both and then get ass-pounded and come in here crying about how the game is not fair. Or the other one is about vets who bring IRL friends into the game and when the new player whines about skill points the two switch and the new player plays on the vet's character and vice versa and the vet still wins.

I could go over this a million different ways but at the end of the day it still comes down to you need experience to be good at this game. Now you can sit around and wait for skill points and then go from being a player with no PvP experience on a character with low skill points to being a player with no PvP experience on a character with higher skill points but still not have a clue what you are doing.

The best advice that I feel I can give a new player is that if you are looking to win as soon as possible then you will struggle with Eve. However if you are looking to learn as much as possible in as short of a time frame as possible then you will get good fast.
No one ever gets great at anything by seeking out the easy path. People get good when the jump into situations where the odds are stacked against them and fight like they intend to win.

To me the key is in not attaching emotional neediness to specific outcomes. You go into a situation and give it all that you have. Some of the best people in the world at a given thing get that way by being disappointed when they can't find someone better than them. They always seek out someone better to learn from and when they start having problems finding people better than themselves they almost get sad. That's the attitude that will get you far in Eve or anything competitive for that matter.

TL;dr
Keep seeking to loose ships to players better than yourself and with each fight it will get progressively harder to accomplish that.