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Finally.

You can still point **** at 37/39km, you just can't scram.

You actually have to think about what you want to take with you to tackle.

Fantastic changes, this should open up much more viability for roaming and small group fights without big home-field advantages. though that range still seems a bit on the long side, it certainly opens up the options of T2 disruptors on regular ships again for kiting.

I would say the percentage of people who "invent" new fits is pretty low and outside of some niche things for special tasks/tournaments a specific hunt there is not much room for stuff that wasn´t there before. But what does that have to do with the topic actually?
My point is not to show off some crazy fits but the amount of HICs used in small gang scenarios. No matter if you lose your "special HIC" or not it will end up in the data stream. The fit doesn´t bother me at all, just pure numbers. And from what I can tell HICs are barely used in small gang stuff compared to all other scenarios. If the HIC would be ass oppressive as some people call it to be you would see it everywhere. But this is not the case except for gatecamps. You will find them a lot on the hi-sec camps, low and null-sec entry gates but that´s it. Maybe counting hi-sec stations too where they seem to be a regular appearance as well.

I barely see two small gangs take on each others and agree on the points you made about the reasoning. And we´re getting closer to the core of the problem it seems. Screwing with gatecamps in nano gangs can be a pita and yes, HICs on gates are pure cance*r but that doesn´t make them oppressive and is no problem for small gangs except you run blind into the camp or engage the thing with a wrong comp. If the reasoning for all the complains is, that you can´t mess with proper organised gatecamps then well, I am sorry but I don´t engage combat carriers with cruisers either. Non the less, I can understand the pain that gatecamps can cause since it´s pretty much no effort to get some juicy kills and sometimes even tears and yes it kinda triggers me when I jump into a system with my slicer/dramiel/insert frigate, get alpha´ed by a bloody gatecamp and get a "gf" in local. But as much as I sometimes wish "gatecamps" wouldn´t exist they are part of the game and just because they feell "oppressive" doesn´t mean they should not exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSDaMGBbHVQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg1thXYeCWQ

Gotta leave those there for prosperity i guess

I think you may be confusing something that hurts a particular small fleet comp with something that hurts small fleets in general. These are not the same thing. This does make it harder to control range and keep MWDing targets at arms length, but you still have a ship that can do that quite well, it's just squishier and you have to make more of a tradeoff for it...



.... that's the point?

because he brought up a concern the community had been voicing for a while?


yeah not the type of candidate i want either

Do you Devs even talk to the CSM.
What a stupid change. This was a valid change 2 years ago but not in the current meta

has the hic even had a scram for two years? it's all a blur

What community has been voicing that? Probably just the small nano gang crew, and its not as if they need any help the orthrus is still OP.

This change nerfs a niche ship to help a playstyle thats already strong.

And remember the T2 point requires investing a million sp for graviton physics V, a skill with literally no other pvp use. Add a another 1.2 million sp to train hics V and you can bet that most people don't have a 37km scram. My scram range is 32km and after these change will be ~18km, aka totally useless. I might as well fly an orthrus which has similar scram range and is better in other ways too.

No hic has good damage relative to its price. Tank and scram range were the hics selling points. They don't have the range, speed, or damage projection of on othrus, and neither the orthrus or hics could point as far as a Lach. These were well balanced stats that gave each ship a role, but after these changes the Lach can point AND scram farther then a hic.