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Zkill guide to Running for CSM 12 by rhiload

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Eskarina Ap'Morgravaine
Dixin Buttes Goo Injection Services
#41 - 2017-02-08 17:45:29 UTC
Almanac Omaristos wrote:
Eskarina Ap'Morgravaine wrote:
Mr Hyde113 wrote:
As an outgoing member of CSM 11 who, along with Gorski, primarily focused on mechanics, balance, and small gang/solo issues, I must voice my strong opposition to the candidacy of rhiload, and urge those voters who care about these issues to instead back Suitonia, who is vastly more experienced and qualified, to fulfil this role on CSM 12. With the reduction in the number of CSM seats this year from 14 to 10, it is important that 'non-bloc' entities like the small gang/solo community further concentrate their top votes behind serious candidates that can bring a depth of understanding and experience to CCP on these topics, rather than wasting them on charlatans such as rhiload.


You know Suitonia is in CFC right? Non-Bloc??? What are you smoking Hyde?


uh look at the sov map fam CFC is kill


Does your sov map not have Delve on it?
commander aze
#42 - 2017-02-08 17:46:43 UTC
Mr Hyde113 wrote:
As an outgoing member of CSM 11 who, along with Gorski, primarily focused on mechanics, balance, and small gang/solo issues, I must voice my strong opposition to the candidacy of rhiload, and urge those voters who care about these issues to instead back Suitonia, who is vastly more experienced and qualified, to fulfil this role on CSM 12. With the reduction in the number of CSM seats this year from 14 to 10, it is important that 'non-bloc' entities like the small gang/solo community further concentrate their top votes behind serious candidates that can bring a depth of understanding and experience to CCP on these topics, rather than wasting them on charlatans such as rhiload.

The success and popularity of rhiload's meme video series 'Zkill Guides' this year is undoubtedly impressive and has at long last brought a particular style of comedy video popular in other games to EVE. However, this success should not be misinterpreted as an indicator of his knowledge or experience on the topics of balance and small gang/solo PVP, but rather just as a showing of his ability to entertain and satirise. Unfortunately for him, neither of these skills are valuable or necessary in the role of a CSM member and would actually would detract from the hard work CSM 11 did to restore productive and serious relations with CCP by trivialising important discussions on balance topics.

Despite his comparisons to me in regards to garnering a CSM candidacy backing from videomaking success, I respectfully disagree with this false equivalency. I would instead draw comparisons between rhiload and CSM 10 member WingspannTT (Chance Ravinne) who demonstrated how youtube popularity without any substance to back it up, makes for a hollow and useless CSM member. Although I certainly encourage his continued content creation which brings a smile to many-an-EVE player, I want to warn prospective voters on the dangers of letting rhiload's comedic success propel him above his station.

Having spent many hours and days over the past year working with CCP to have game balance taken as an issue seriously, I cannot in good conscious allow an EVE youtube comedian to get away with exploiting his recent popularity to masquerade as an expert on a topic he is not qualified to speak on.


*I understand that rhiload may take this as a personal insult, however, I only voice this opposition because I care about this game and these topics, and have too much respect for the CSM-CCP relationship to allow a meme candidate to detract from the serious work of the council. I do not know him personally and am sure he's a nice person and dedicated player.


Jesus... we almost made it a year without drama from the csm.. theres a right and a wrong way to do things when representing the csm. I think we can all agree this is not the right way.

Commander Aze For CSM XII

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Kappa 4Head
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2017-02-08 17:50:59 UTC
Ragnar Varen wrote:

Your entire post is hollow and empty. Instead of **** talking Rhiload AND Wingspan why don't you talk substance? You're inciting a flamewar and providing nothing constructive.

Instead of blindly going for the "MEMES 4 CSM" circlejerk please try to understand what hyde wrote before saying it's unsubstantiated.
Cat silth
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#44 - 2017-02-08 17:51:23 UTC
Got my vote
Cat silth
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#45 - 2017-02-08 17:54:17 UTC
Mr Hyde113 wrote:
As an outgoing member of CSM 11 who, along with Gorski, primarily focused on mechanics, balance, and small gang/solo issues, I must voice my strong opposition to the candidacy of rhiload, and urge those voters who care about these issues to instead back Suitonia, who is vastly more experienced and qualified, to fulfil this role on CSM 12. With the reduction in the number of CSM seats this year from 14 to 10, it is important that 'non-bloc' entities like the small gang/solo community further concentrate their top votes behind serious candidates that can bring a depth of understanding and experience to CCP on these topics, rather than wasting them on charlatans such as rhiload.

The success and popularity of rhiload's meme video series 'Zkill Guides' this year is undoubtedly impressive and has at long last brought a particular style of comedy video popular in other games to EVE. However, this success should not be misinterpreted as an indicator of his knowledge or experience on the topics of balance and small gang/solo PVP, but rather just as a showing of his ability to entertain and satirise. Unfortunately for him, neither of these skills are valuable or necessary in the role of a CSM member and would actually would detract from the hard work CSM 11 did to restore productive and serious relations with CCP by trivialising important discussions on balance topics.

Despite his comparisons to me in regards to garnering a CSM candidacy backing from videomaking success, I respectfully disagree with this false equivalency. I would instead draw comparisons between rhiload and CSM 10 member WingspannTT (Chance Ravinne) who demonstrated how youtube popularity without any substance to back it up, makes for a hollow and useless CSM member. Although I certainly encourage his continued content creation which brings a smile to many-an-EVE player, I want to warn prospective voters on the dangers of letting rhiload's comedic success propel him above his station.

Having spent many hours and days over the past year working with CCP to have game balance taken as an issue seriously, I cannot in good conscious allow an EVE youtube comedian to get away with exploiting his recent popularity to masquerade as an expert on a topic he is not qualified to speak on.


*I understand that rhiload may take this as a personal insult, however, I only voice this opposition because I care about this game and these topics, and have too much respect for the CSM-CCP relationship to allow a meme candidate to detract from the serious work of the council. I do not know him personally and am sure he's a nice person and dedicated player.



stereotyping much?
4chan SlashPOL
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#46 - 2017-02-08 17:57:40 UTC
Mr Hyde113 wrote:
As an outgoing member of CSM 11 who, along with Gorski, primarily focused on mechanics, balance, and small gang/solo issues, I must voice my strong opposition to the candidacy of rhiload, and urge those voters who care about these issues to instead back Suitonia, who is vastly more experienced and qualified, to fulfil this role on CSM 12. With the reduction in the number of CSM seats this year from 14 to 10, it is important that 'non-bloc' entities like the small gang/solo community further concentrate their top votes behind serious candidates that can bring a depth of understanding and experience to CCP on these topics, rather than wasting them on charlatans such as rhiload.

The success and popularity of rhiload's meme video series 'Zkill Guides' this year is undoubtedly impressive and has at long last brought a particular style of comedy video popular in other games to EVE. However, this success should not be misinterpreted as an indicator of his knowledge or experience on the topics of balance and small gang/solo PVP, but rather just as a showing of his ability to entertain and satirise. Unfortunately for him, neither of these skills are valuable or necessary in the role of a CSM member and would actually would detract from the hard work CSM 11 did to restore productive and serious relations with CCP by trivialising important discussions on balance topics.

Despite his comparisons to me in regards to garnering a CSM candidacy backing from videomaking success, I respectfully disagree with this false equivalency. I would instead draw comparisons between rhiload and CSM 10 member WingspannTT (Chance Ravinne) who demonstrated how youtube popularity without any substance to back it up, makes for a hollow and useless CSM member. Although I certainly encourage his continued content creation which brings a smile to many-an-EVE player, I want to warn prospective voters on the dangers of letting rhiload's comedic success propel him above his station.

Having spent many hours and days over the past year working with CCP to have game balance taken as an issue seriously, I cannot in good conscious allow an EVE youtube comedian to get away with exploiting his recent popularity to masquerade as an expert on a topic he is not qualified to speak on.


*I understand that rhiload may take this as a personal insult, however, I only voice this opposition because I care about this game and these topics, and have too much respect for the CSM-CCP relationship to allow a meme candidate to detract from the serious work of the council. I do not know him personally and am sure he's a nice person and dedicated player.




Don't act like people would have voted for you without your videos. You're now not the only one with a YouTube channel running for csm. Wingspan was a ****** to want to give JFs an agro timer, but you were trying to get cargo buffs for battleships. You're irrelevant.
Jin'taan
Death Squad Sektor B
Paper Numbers
#47 - 2017-02-08 17:58:21 UTC
>TFW people aren't just voting Capri + Suitonia + Rhiload and instead are wholly focused on their personal favourites because what is STV?
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2017-02-08 17:59:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tisiphone Dira
Mr Hyde113 wrote:
tears about winspang and rhil


Great. Now I know who to cast my 4 votes for. Chance and Rhil

edit: also xenuria

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Michael Oskold
Beyond Good and Evil.
#49 - 2017-02-08 17:59:47 UTC
Omega Crendraven wrote:
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"I am noob solo pvper who hit f1 and scram with marauder or tank bonused ship and make dank meme video/stream, now im famous, now I am CSM "



I SUPPORT RHILOAD IN THE CSM WARS


I SUPPORT THE DAWA ON HYDE. REMOVE REMOVE
Talurion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2017-02-08 18:04:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Talurion
lmao, the pl circlejerk is soooo salty!
rhiload you have my vote cuz you are so good @ triggering this salty dudes!
Srry mr hyde, I tought you were a good dude (game-related, ofc), probably being so long in contact with pl's dudes made you salty bittervet.
The recent USA prooved that we, the plebs, are tired of you cool dudes who are part of the establishment. We want dunk memes!

It is now pl/n3, not PL/N3 (sacrificed all their caps)
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#51 - 2017-02-08 18:07:01 UTC
F*ck it. Xenuria gets my #1 vote this year.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Romvex
TURN LEFT
#52 - 2017-02-08 18:09:50 UTC
Will you push for JFs to get a weapons timer upon jumping to a cyno?
Ragnar Varen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2017-02-08 18:12:57 UTC
Kappa 4Head wrote:
Ragnar Varen wrote:

Your entire post is hollow and empty. Instead of **** talking Rhiload AND Wingspan why don't you talk substance? You're inciting a flamewar and providing nothing constructive.

Instead of blindly going for the "MEMES 4 CSM" circlejerk please try to understand what hyde wrote before saying it's unsubstantiated.


I read through his post multiple times and their is very little that could even vaguely be considered constructive or useful.

A. He thinks Suitonia is a better smallgang/solo pvper candidate without actually providing any evidence or arguments for it

B. Attacks his knowledge and experience of small gang/solo pvp because he doesn't like Rhiload's content format. I.E he doesn't actually say why Rhiload isn't experience or what even experience can be based upon. Other than style the Hyde's and Rhiload's videos really aren't that different. He doesn't once describe what qualifies a player as experienced at game balance.

C. Attacks Wingspan for being a useless CSM member without actually describing what a useful CSM member is.

"propel him above his station." - Hyde. Says everything you need to know about Hyde. He's an egotistical tryhard who should step off his high horse instead of talking **** about others.
Kurogame
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
Synergy of Steel
#54 - 2017-02-08 18:14:45 UTC
Mr. Hyde i had some respect for your efforts as CSM and your vids....but now after i read your post, i must say:
This is some serious bullshit!
Your're affront people, you don't know...maybe "chance" a bit, but surely not rhiload.
If you are rly care for the game, you should spend your time with supporting people, where do you think could fit as future CSM.
But complaining about ppl you dont even know. and trying to stop their efforts...is some subhuman ****. This sounds not like a guy who had some progess this year as CSM, to make the game "better".
This sounds like a bitter-vet and cryhard!
Poor Mrs. Hyde!

o7

Btw. I know rhiload and believe, that he's able to do good stuff as CSM.
Canenald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#55 - 2017-02-08 18:14:51 UTC
Mr Hyde113 wrote:
:words:


Ok, I was still making up my mind but this has definitely tipped it for me. Voting for Rhiload.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#56 - 2017-02-08 18:18:10 UTC
Chance Ravinne wrote:
Quote:
I would instead draw comparisons between rhiload and CSM 10 member WingspannTT (Chance Ravinne) who demonstrated how youtube popularity without any substance to back it up, makes for a hollow and useless CSM member.


Seriously Hyde? Useless CSM member? I think if you take a step back and consider that literally a third of CSM X quit, boycotted CSM, got removed, or were implicated in some kind of scandal, it's pretty insulting and petty to use me as an example of a useless CSM.

Why don't you spend 10 minutes thinking about how useful all the "vets" of CSM X were who literally were so bad they disappeared or got kicked before using me as an example of uselessness. Some of them straight up went AWOL and left EVE, but somehow I'm the bad guy.


  • When Citadels were going to have features that would RUIN wormhole space I pushed (along with Corbexx) for their removal.
  • When literally nobody on CSM understood how missile damage application worked I lobbied hard to try to bring Missile Guidance Comps and the associated Rigor Catalyst nerfs to a reasonable point
  • When the new probing system was being put into place I pushed back again and again and again to get every fix possible made that wormholers and explorers were asking for
  • When the camera was completely SCREWED I sat with CCP and Jayne for several hours to walk them through community feedback on solo, fleet, and videomaking issues
  • Don't even get me started on just straight up trying to be a positive productive member while dealing with pretty much the most toxic CSM environment of all time
  • That stupid bracket for your own ship was part of my UI QOL agenda...
  • Did I mention that I actively and positively contributed to CSM all friggin year?


I don't believe in calling people out by name, but there were legitimately veteran players on CSMX that didn't know how attributes affect skill point gain. Meanwhile they ranted just as loud about how injectors should work. There were veterans that responded to MAYBE 10% of the feedback posts in Confluence, even on issues they in theory knew about. When we had a branding/advertising exercise, one well-loved CSM flat out refused to participate on some unimaginable grounds. But you know, I'm the problem, right?


And you expected thanks?

You dumb choob.

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#57 - 2017-02-08 18:19:13 UTC
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Adversity.
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#58 - 2017-02-08 18:24:45 UTC
Omega Crendraven wrote:
Mr Hyde113 wrote:
As an outgoing member of CSM 11 who, along with Gorski, primarily focused on mechanics, balance, and small gang/solo issues, I must voice my strong opposition to the candidacy of rhiload, and urge those voters who care about these issues to instead back Suitonia, who is vastly more experienced and qualified, to fulfil this role on CSM 12. With the reduction in the number of CSM seats this year from 14 to 10, it is important that 'non-bloc' entities like the small gang/solo community further concentrate their top votes behind serious candidates that can bring a depth of understanding and experience to CCP on these topics, rather than wasting them on charlatans such as rhiload.

The success and popularity of rhiload's meme video series 'Zkill Guides' this year is undoubtedly impressive and has at long last brought a particular style of comedy video popular in other games to EVE. However, this success should not be misinterpreted as an indicator of his knowledge or experience on the topics of balance and small gang/solo PVP, but rather just as a showing of his ability to entertain and satirise. Unfortunately for him, neither of these skills are valuable or necessary in the role of a CSM member and would actually would detract from the hard work CSM 11 did to restore productive and serious relations with CCP by trivialising important discussions on balance topics.

Despite his comparisons to me in regards to garnering a CSM candidacy backing from videomaking success, I respectfully disagree with this false equivalency. I would instead draw comparisons between rhiload and CSM 10 member WingspannTT (Chance Ravinne) who demonstrated how youtube popularity without any substance to back it up, makes for a hollow and useless CSM member. Although I certainly encourage his continued content creation which brings a smile to many-an-EVE player, I want to warn prospective voters on the dangers of letting rhiload's comedic success propel him above his station.

Having spent many hours and days over the past year working with CCP to have game balance taken as an issue seriously, I cannot in good conscious allow an EVE youtube comedian to get away with exploiting his recent popularity to masquerade as an expert on a topic he is not qualified to speak on.


*I understand that rhiload may take this as a personal insult, however, I only voice this opposition because I care about this game and these topics, and have too much respect for the CSM-CCP relationship to allow a meme candidate to detract from the serious work of the council. I do not know him personally and am sure he's a nice person and dedicated player.


"I am noob solo pvper who hit f1 and scram with marauder or tank bonused ship and make dank meme video/stream, now im famous, now I am CSM "



I SUPPORT RHILOAD IN THE CSM WARS


Rhiload ALIVE in serbija HYde we WAR YOU
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#59 - 2017-02-08 18:26:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
I disagree with Mr Hyde.

Streaming and public exposure of pvp and tournaments is a growing aspect of Eve Online, one which I think needs more attention. So in that regard as well as having an informed opinion about small-gang balance, I think Rhiload has a lot to offer as a CSM member.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Valkin Mordirc
#60 - 2017-02-08 18:27:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Chance Ravinne wrote:
Quote:
I would instead draw comparisons between rhiload and CSM 10 member WingspannTT (Chance Ravinne) who demonstrated how youtube popularity without any substance to back it up, makes for a hollow and useless CSM member.


Seriously Hyde? Useless CSM member? I think if you take a step back and consider that literally a third of CSM X quit, boycotted CSM, got removed, or were implicated in some kind of scandal, it's pretty insulting and petty to use me as an example of a useless CSM.

Why don't you spend 10 minutes thinking about how useful all the "vets" of CSM X were who literally were so bad they disappeared or got kicked before using me as an example of uselessness. Some of them straight up went AWOL and left EVE, but somehow I'm the bad guy.


  • When Citadels were going to have features that would RUIN wormhole space I pushed (along with Corbexx) for their removal.
  • When literally nobody on CSM understood how missile damage application worked I lobbied hard to try to bring Missile Guidance Comps and the associated Rigor Catalyst nerfs to a reasonable point
  • When the new probing system was being put into place I pushed back again and again and again to get every fix possible made that wormholers and explorers were asking for
  • When the camera was completely SCREWED I sat with CCP and Jayne for several hours to walk them through community feedback on solo, fleet, and videomaking issues
  • Don't even get me started on just straight up trying to be a positive productive member while dealing with pretty much the most toxic CSM environment of all time
  • That stupid bracket for your own ship was part of my UI QOL agenda...
  • Did I mention that I actively and positively contributed to CSM all friggin year?


I don't believe in calling people out by name, but there were legitimately veteran players on CSMX that didn't know how attributes affect skill point gain. Meanwhile they ranted just as loud about how injectors should work. There were veterans that responded to MAYBE 10% of the feedback posts in Confluence, even on issues they in theory knew about. When we had a branding/advertising exercise, one well-loved CSM flat out refused to participate on some unimaginable grounds. But you know, I'm the problem, right?



Tbh you were more of a Yoloswag CSM poster boy than anything else. And you were carried by your YouTube subs. Saying that Hyde was carried was and is ridiculous seeing has his sub count was by far lower than yours. Did people vote for him because he made videos? Probably. But I think most people voted for him because his videos showed he had a firm grasp on how EVE mechanics worked.

Same reason why somebody would vote for Big Miker.

Also saying you were a positive member while posting this salty of a post kind of make that hard to believe.


And also why not vote for Suitonia and Rhiload? Your allowed multiple votes for that reason. Suitonia seems to have a better understanding of the mechanics. Rhiload seems to have a decent, more than me at least, understand of mechanics, have both would be a positive in my books.
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