EVE General Discussion

there is a difference between shooting and bombing, mainly bombing you are killing stuff coming towards the gate, not jumping through...so yeah i dont shoot new players i bomb them. not hard to avoid my playstyle tbh

i dont need to scram players, ransom or shoot them, they are dead pretty much instantly, and no im not going to check every char that appears on my overview.

You're arguimg semantics and further justifying your actions by saying 'Well, I smartbomb everbody so it's not my fault for killing new players - they shouldn't have been travelling through that gate...'

Your reason is that you want to punch someone where they're vulnerable, which is fair enough; your method on the other hand destroys some of the meta-game of Eve that makes it so interesting to play. IMHO that is not a good thing.

You want to punch someone in the nuts via their alts? Do what everybody else does, infiltrate, gather intelligence, and get them when they're least expecting it, stab them in the back, steal their stuff; that is some of the game-play your solution destroys.

You do realise that the entire concept of Eve is based around conflict, and that the economy is powered by the destruction resulting from it?

If you produce stuff, destruction causes demand, if you mine destruction causes demand via production, if you farm LP destruction provides the market for the LP items you exchange it for, etc, etc. You don't get to play Eve as a single player game because everything is intrinsically linked.

Judging by your suggestion you'd be okay with me theoretically killing your industry alt while you move stuff to market because you theoretically ganked my newb ship a while back?

Why shouldn't they have wealth? They have time and money invested in Eve, that is their reward for it. Remove it and their prior knowledge and experience means that 2 weeks after reset they'd have more wealth than someone without that knowledge and the ones that suicide gank now would still suicide gank then. A newbies disadvantage is not wealth, it is knowledge and experience; both of which, like wealth, take time to acquire.

Ganking is financially viable, CODE. proves it. As long as they keep ganking the unwary, the foolish, the greedy and the afk, and on occasion the targeting and destruction of NPC industry/ production chain alts, people who have interests in the market will keep funding their SRP. Tears are a bonus, if nobody produced them it would be impossible to farm them.

Paying other people to blow up miners and haulers makes sense if you happen to sell or make those ships and the modules that get used on them.

Mittens has won Eve, AFAIK he no longer logs in but continues to influence the actions of 1000's of people without leaving the couch or touching the client.

It's not cowardice, it is the nature of the game. The destruction of BoB came about because of an alt, the Guiding Social Club assassination came about through the use of alts. What you consider to be a trivial thing to change has massive repercussions for a game that produces stories like these and is renowned for doing so.

So I say nay, your solution, to what many don't see as a problem, is an antithesis to everything Eve stands for.

So what if she is, PL used to hotdrop people with capships on the Amamake gate all the time. Some FW dudes took it down.

No you're missing the point, gatecamping and smartbombing are totally valid ways of killing people, if a little indiscriminate. We get that you don't like some of the tactics used by people in Eve. However, Eve is an extremely competitive game with very few rules, playing "dirty" is allowed by those rules, and always has been; which is what makes Eve different from the majority of other MMO's, and the reason many of us play it.

The reaction that you should have to the use of those tactics is to find out how to get around them, that is what many of us would rather see you do, just as we did. I'm sure CCP had it in mind too when they designed the game and its mechanics, this game is as much about solving the problems presented by others as it is about power, influence and conflict.

I really don't care what anyone does. Just don't be disingenuous about it... If you're going to get on a soapbox and claim to be charitable - your actions should reflect that. I have more respect for a player that says 'Well, I'm an a**hole because this game needs a**holes and my purpose in the game is to serve as a warning to others.' I might not like their playstyle and I might disagree with it, but that's also my prerogative.

But crying on a forum is so much easier. The added "think of the children new players" stuff is just icing. No matter what, you can never explain to some people that blowing up people is a good thing in a video game.

This is pointless.

You know, as well as I do, that the majority of GD posting involves discussion about how things are vs how x person(s) think it should be.

Im sure you yourself disagree with umpteen rules and mechanics of EVE.
We all do.

Thats why we all come here to discuss them.

That something is the way it is, does not mean it has to stay that way, or that it cannot be discussed.

Im not saying Im agreeing with Arthur, but I am saying that claiming it is the way it currently is, is not an argument against someone else's argument to change it.

Whatever. I'll concede the point that you can apparently be just as disingenuous in the forums as you can in-game. I'm not going to re-hash everything all over again because I feel I already made my case - and there's no point in dragging this out further. Respectfully, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm baffled when my actions in a videogame are measured and judged by real life studies and moralities. Let me just step over that part of the reasoning by stating that there are people who embody themeselves, and their own actual approaches in such a virtual environment, but there are also others who prefer to act in a vastly different way. It's just too easy to suspect RL frustartion or similar influences behind a gamer's actions, and it won't get you closer to understanding the motivations of their vast majority - if you have such ambitions.


In my eye, that player only conveyed a message: "If you fly the way you did, you will lose ships." I would consider you lucky that it happened on your 3rd day - if it were only on the 30th, you would have lost more, and started to looking into what you were doing wrong later.

I chat sometimes with players who never get podded before, and they keep cashing in PLEX, buying ships I wouldn't even dare to look at, not to mention flying them. I often try to warn them, but people prefer to learn from their own mistakes. And big ships are shiney. I'm a bit sad for them, buty you know... if I'll be able to get them the incentive to learn by guns, I won't leave it for the next guy on the next camp.

I think you are in an infinitely better position by having all those very cheap ships lost. I'm convinced you are on the right track.