EVE General Discussion

No I mean I'm in a triple sebo Devoter and catch a dual plate Thorax who knows what he's doing. Makes me work for my kill instead of just sitting there and getting podded. Batphones happen, but for juicy catches. Not a good PVP thorax.

I've lost 286 ships to date. Some of those were losses on gates to things I couldn't handle.

The thing is, if some middle ground cannot be found between the gate-camping types who just love the PVP combat aspects of EVE and those players who, like me, have no interest in that, players like me will just leave the game. If that happens often enough the game will end, sooner rather than later.

I played EVE circa 2005-2006. I got tired of the d00d types talking profanity and other garbage in chat, and got tired of getting blown up every time I tried to reach my corp mates in 0.0 space.

I formed my own 1-man corp, but found that the large corps make everything they need and it was too difficult to find a niche of products I could supply them. I left because the game, while beautiful to look at, was not fun for a more-or-less casual player like me.

I'm back now, older and with lower expectations, with an alpha account. If the game proves to be fun, I will upgrade to omega. If not I will leave.

I scratch my head when the PVP players beat their chests and say "if you don't like it, get out!" Life is too short for that kind of drama. It's just a game.

Blockade runners? Interceptors? Nullified T3Cs, bombers, force recons? Warp core stabilizers? Cloak-MWD warp trick? You can't use any of those to get through a gate camp? How about a JF and jump over them?

And you can't find people to buy your stuff? I do invention all by myself and manage to get my stuff sold.

Oh and BTW, even though I have often camped gates with friends I have died to them too. So what? Trust me there are far, far more gates that are not camped than are.

Back then, should have just set your medical clone to your nullsec home, or a nearby station and just death cloned.

Could have totally avoided everything, including the time required to fly there; and no need to get up early. Not so easy now unfortunately.

It shouldn't, Eve is a PvP game. As far as CCP are concerned every action in the sandbox is PvP, and that includes the activities such as resource gathering and processing that would be PvE in any other game.

PvE, such as it exists in Eve, is designed to put you into conflict with other players as well as raise capital to fund involvement in those conflicts. Every mineral you mine, every ship you produce, every item you sell, puts you in conflict with others; the market is driven by destruction, which is a byproduct of conflict.

I share your playstyle, but not your attitude. I recognise that Eve is a PvP game and I plan accordingly using the available mechanics to my advantage. The best source of information on the available mechanics are those that would use them against you, they're normally more than happy to share their knowledge.

The moment you realise that any safety provided by the game is an illusion, that you are always in conflict with others, and that you alone are responsible for what happens to you, is the moment you cease to be a carebear and become an Eve player.

Well. There is an option for you: Singularity. Yes, i'm serious! Singularity is a test server where ship-to-ship combat (mostly mistaken with PvP in general) is not allowed unless both parties agree to do it. There you can do whatever you want without seeing other player.

But if you want to be part of Tranquility (our main server) then you just cannot be 'left alone'. The main and only reason: we have common economy. Whatever you do you affect it. Mining - you will deprive others from ore and sell minerals on market to other players. Mission running - you gather ISK/LP/loot which you will use on market. Exploration? The same: end products finish up in market. Even WH with selling stuff to 'CCP' (talking about blue loot here) - as result you get ISK which is part of global economy.
tlDr: you just cannot be 'left alone' on Tranq. That's the nature of game.

Word. I make 2 billion an hour afk in my auto targeting garmur. Then I spend it on blanket war decs and role play cocaine.

i think you missunderstood, because that is largely what i was saying. the first 5? 10? M Isk are still a major pain, that could do with some steamlining.
see engineering. large parts of the tab are mandatory for everyone, what justifies the monthlong skillqueue for cpu/power/cap5?
And surely you, common joe, would not start to compete against intel in their core business, if only because you perceive it as chanceless.
perception is, in a way, more important than facts. marketing/pr/journalists can write you a book about that.


ok maybe that was badly conveyed. (although multiaccounting took a small role in archeage's downfall in the western market.)

I might lack the experience to judge on wether multiple characters/accounts are neccessary or not, as long as we talk specialized skillbuilds and stuff.

The biggest problem i see with it is the fact that they give anonymity.



Why should you be able to circumvent these hazards?
I'm sure its great for some stupid metagames like spying and stuff, but the overall effect is debilitating. Everythings oozing of hostility and paranoia. open FW fleets anyone? missiongroups? This atmosphere is one of the major turnoffs in this game. new players dont have the benefit of 10 years who-is-who. Part of the reason why many of them go singleplayer mode is that getting in contact with others in a nonhostile way feels like being discouraged.

There is no proper reason why alts (character as much as accounts) are not marked as "toon of player X".
Think about how dynamic the game would become if something like a reputation actually mattered.

Losing a ship might make people rage. They will get over it. What gets to them is the feeling of helplessness because they will practically never get to see the bastard in any situation where HE is not combat ready, at least not in a concious way.

I'd be intrigued to see how many pathological carebears start to develop an interest in the finer points of cost-effective catalyst fittings if they could see that the random indy over there is piloted by THAT guy.
For a prominent example:
Suicide ganking empty freighters is not a financially stable method of playing. Those CODE guys will need to make money somewhere.
And by truely carrying the consequences for their actions they would ironically reach their (stated) goals of fighting bots and people who behave like them. Hunters dont sleep.

Of course this is not complete without tackling the old money, as



nicely illustrates. a reset sounds kinda harsh, maybe there are better ways to implement this.



I dont want the game to become safer, its mostly fine the way it is.

And while i cant help wondering about the circular nature of THIS faggots family tree, i dont really want him to get banned or anything either.

What i want is the ability to actually punch back at them when THEY are vulnerable, AND i want to break their nose while doing so, not hit a 10 year old money bag.

Is that really too much to ask?

Give us an example of a proper reason for this, I can guarantee you that for every reason for it, there is at least one against it.

It does matter, I'm going to leave 2 names here that are instantly recognisable throughout Eve by their reputation alone.

Chribba and The Mittani.

They're funded by third parties, people from all walks of Eve life have vested interests in the destruction that groups like CODE. cause, for example ship producers, organised mining groups, nullsec groups, other interested or fun loving players, they all have stakes in the continued destruction of stuff.

What you're suggesting is the ingame equivalent of "Your uncle's cousin's daughter's son stole my car, so I'm going to beat 7 bales of crap out of you and take your big ass TV and hifi"

A reset wouldn't achieve anything any way, resetting the game doesn't reset the existing social structures that exist because of the game. Within 3 days of a reset nullsec would be populated by the same people that it is now, mercs would be camping the trade routes, suicide gankers would be suicide ganking and lowsec entry points will still be gatecamped

You can already do so, go bust his chops, and those of his friends, with some friends of your own. The tools for retribution are already in your hands; you could also deny the guy easy kills by following some of the advice already given in this thread.