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so it only took 6 months for communication from ccp to break down. paging ccp tallest!

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1 - 2012-01-21 00:54:20 UTC
This was taken from the hybrid balance thread which is over 89 pages long and has less then V posts from devs... with no explanation about changes.... great job ccp on the whole communication thing....Cry

Magosian wrote:
Good things:
  • This thread is only 2-3 months old and already we are seeing changes made to hybrids to make them more viable. Frankly, this kind of pace is reassuring and I'm very glad this thread even exists. Personally, Null changes are a leap forward for hybrids as a whole, and this single change SHOULD be enough to prevent a Gallente ship from being beat up like a senior citizen in a wheelchair. Honestly, that's great.

    • BAD THINGS:
  • There has been no recent communication from CCP in this thread. The aforementioned Null changes have made it to SiSi, and while these changes look promising, there was no dev-to-player discussion about it at all. In fact, there has been NO discussion between devs and players about the proposed evolution of hybrid buffs since mid-December. The "NeXGate" Scandal and its subsequent and apologetic letter from CCP CEO clearly mentioned lack of communication was the core issue which caused a fissure to expand between the playerbase and CCP. I don't understand how something which happened so recently seems to have already been forgotten.
  • The aforementioned Null changes appear to be forward progress for hybrids in medium and large turret combat, but I am worried this blanket change to hybrid ammo will put Gallente frigates in the front-runnings for skirmishing. Frankly, Minmatar have had the crown at so many levels for so long, I don't really care. What I DO care about is the minimal effort in foresight it takes to see this, and its underlying detriment of what many people have called power creep. Power creep is how hybrids got into this mess in the first place, and I don't want to hear about hybrid nerfs 2-3 years from now. Still, seems like this is all being ignored; again, no discussion about this occuring between players and CCP.
    • [*] Despite all of the changes that have, will, or may, occur to hybrids, there still has been a fundamental misunderstanding by CCP in addressing the overall hybrid problem; a proverbial dropping-of-the-ball. Even if hybrids were some mythical godlike weapon, combining all of the benefits of lasers and projectiles, there is still no reason to use hybrids because hybrid ships are BAD. Amarr ships will always cater to fleet combat due to dominant armor effective hit points. Minmatar ships will always cater to skirmishing due to speed. Even more so, Amarr ships CAN perform in skirmish due to instant-crystal-swap which compliments the dynamic changes in range during a dogfight, and Minmatar ships CAN perform in fleet combat because artillery provides alpha. Caldari don't quite fit in the picture, but they do get ECM, drakes, and tengus, each of which is a solid, niche performer in its own right. Gallente ships do not participate in this rock-paper-scissors contest at any level. You MUST give Gallente ships something which appeals to pilot before the pilot even flies into combat. Give them insane agility. Give them more speed. Give them stronger scan res or signal strength, but for the love of god GIVE THEM SOMETHING! To ignore this would be no different than throwing all hybrid buff efforts in the garbage because no one wants to fly a ship which isn't the king of SOME hill.

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#2 - 2012-01-21 01:12:01 UTC
Thanks for cross posting, that's really helpful.

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Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-21 01:20:55 UTC
CCP has been WAYYYY better at communicating with players. Maybe not in this instance, but lets not make blanket statements here.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#4 - 2012-01-21 01:24:17 UTC
well the only mention in the csm notes about hybrids was that :ccp is watching closely the balance threads;.... its nice they are watching them... how about engaging in a constructive convo with your paying customers... or hell at the least live up to your promise about increased communication...
i am still paying for 4 clients right now... (mainly for pvp ingame and for testing on sisi) i get this awefull taste in my mouth mainly due to my initial excitement about this "change" comming from ccp... which lasted all two months... though some have been amazing... but for some reason tallest just either does not want to talk to us or does not care... Cry

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#5 - 2012-01-21 01:25:21 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
CCP has been WAYYYY better at communicating with players. Maybe not in this instance, but lets not make blanket statements here.



agreed... some are better then others... but for g-ds sake... this guy is in charge of balancing... he should be the loudest not the tallest where no one can here him!

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#6 - 2012-01-21 01:25:40 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
CCP has been WAYYYY better at communicating with players. Maybe not in this instance, but lets not make blanket statements here.


well you can say they either are a fountain of info or an abyss of absolute silence on any particular subject
ShipToaster
#7 - 2012-01-21 03:02:54 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
CCP has been WAYYYY better at communicating with players. Maybe not in this instance, but lets not make blanket statements here.


well you can say they either are a fountain of info or an abyss of absolute silence on any particular subject


Fountain of info on trivia. Absolute silence on anything important.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-01-21 04:01:05 UTC
I'd also like to point out this AF balancing feedback thread, which is only asking for feedback, but has seen no dev response after 50 pages of replies. A bit off topic maybe, but relevant to the OP's point.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

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ShipToaster
#9 - 2012-01-21 05:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ShipToaster
What we need is a thread like this every month http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=905941
Something where players can ask for and get responses to things. CCP sucks at communication with the players but something like this would be a decent stp to changing it.

Posted this as an idea in F&I but failed and it landed in C&P. Ugh

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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2012-01-22 11:14:47 UTC
Thread locked for crossposting. Please keep the discussion in the original thread.

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