Warfare & Tactics

Another 0.0 characteristics that FW would like to avoid:

Since there's relatively safe access to isk generating activities, a sizable chunk of the large alliances tend to stagnate in their PvP activities, except when they/leadership decides to expand or to protect their assets. One of the major consequences is that PvP tends to be less persistent (as a whole), and is concentrated in less frequent large fleet battles. Even though FW has relatively PvP light missions, these missions are still higher risk than the typical isk generating activities found in 0.0. I believe the core players in FW wants to keep PvP as the centerpiece with high incidences of skirmish/small fleet activity, with few (if any) large scale fleet battles with 500+ players.

I said that tongue in cheek, because the gang of 4 were giving me a hard time lately the thread. There isn't any real animosity between the handful of us who have been arguing about fw for years.

Galdornae for CSM

The problem the FW is not the fact that FW is broken .. but the fact that everybody wants something different.

Some people want a 'Nullsec Lite' version of PVP while others want an 'Empire+' version of PVE.

Until we get a bit more unity, all that CCP can do is exactly what they are doing now, putting FW in the ice box until the more important jobs get done.

This deserves some major clarification, and fast. First of all, CCP is NOT putting Faction Warfare in the icebox - read the latest Dev Blog. They are most certainly moving forward with Faction Warfare improvements. The problem is that they are not listening to the community in the process, and the vision proposed by the CSM at the recent summit did NOT take into consideration the community's concerns that were shared with them.

There is in no way a split between those who want "nullsec lite" and those who want "Empire PVE +".

The truth is, NEITHER of those describe what FW pilots really want. The miltia pilots have stuck around for three years not because we enjoy missions (they suck, and are easily farmed) or nullsec alliance infrastructure headaches (a large amount of FW are nullsec refugees that came here for the politics-free PvP). We just want to get out and fight everyday. Anything that stands in the way of that we want minimized, whether its crappily designed PvE, or forced political organization.

Faction Warfare was a system designed around encouraging small-scale, frequent, casual PvP. The PvE that it includes was designed to bait PvP encounters, NOT to be all that engaging itself. The problems lie in how well these PvE structures actually encourage the PvP they were designed. They just don't do a very good job at what they were intended to do.

The way to fix Faction Warfare is to stick to its orginal intent - providing frequent, hardcore, abundant, and concentrated PvP so pilots can log in, find fights, and have fun without having to grind missions, or wait for a CTA or the lifting of a non-aggression pact.

The community has consistently sent this message, loud and clear, the only thing you see debated on is exactly how to tweak those mechanics. But saying that the militias are split between those who want nullsec, or those who want Empire PvE, doesnt even begin to describe why were here and why we've engaged in a "dead" feature year after year after year.



EDIT: Thanks, sYnc Vir!! I should have just saved everyone the hassle of my usual walls 'o text, because you nailed it.

so you voted with a bias

why are you in a FW thread?

want some visene?

QFT

I'm disconcerted with the CSM's view of FW as a guinea pig for 0.0 sov warfare rather than as a separate entity entirely. The only change I'd really like to see is disallowing militia members from docking in the opposing militia's stations.

Just curious here, what could they add or change that wouldn't resemble a nul sec or PvE feature?

The only thing I could think of would be battlefield complexes that appear in the warzone every so often. Only warp-in is to a friendly npc fleet that requests a specific ship size. Have objectives to fight over (like a series of starbases) that give out vp as a reward and cap the amount you can get per day to prevent exploit farming.

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