EVE General Discussion

I'm betting over 90% of highsec astras die completely undefended. You're welcome to flip through astra battle reports to make the case that they don't.

So far I've seen one BR where a scorpion and two bombers shows up to tackle a dozen pirate BS and another 8 or so proteus, which...

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This is absolute horseshit. EVE does not, and has not ever even attempted to present itself as being realistic in any regard.

Note how spaceships have finite top speeds which are only a few kilometers a second.

I have offices in both the refining astras and factory azbel I live at these days. The issue really isn't that so much as the lack of easy feedback on what's going on with the station you're living in.

It'd be nice if there were better communication tools in general centered around Citadels. A MOTD from the owner to give everyone a heads up on wars, maintenance or that maybe they're going to pull up stakes and leave the area. Or even a public bulletin board so people living in them could form a local community around them.

Perhaps not totally relevant to the highsec situation, however if you look at the battle report in this reddit thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5q9x25/escalating_entropy_whelps_more_cap_ships_against/

You'll see >90% of the damage was done by the Citadel, taking out the capitals, with just support coming from a subcap fleet. The fact that it was Capitals helped with the damage application though.

I don't know what the truth of the situation is in highsec, I just know that in general most highsec Corps are terrible at PvP and organising themselves to defend anything other than their own individual wallets. So it's probably more complicated than "Citadel defences are poor" when most corp organisation and sense of shared values are also poor.

There are definitely some very good PvP Corps/Alliances in highsec that it would be difficult to defend against, but for the most part if you keep your head down, you won't have to.

The missiles are available in highsec aren't they?

That was the interesting thing about that battle report, although caps as the target helped with the damage application.

Just like anything in the game, each weapon/approach has its uses and key in this thread, it's limitations. That defensive systems in highsec have limited application just means other approaches are going to be more optimal and this is the issue - people wanting to use weapons not suited to the situation and then complaining when they don't work.

The cap specific missiles work really well against caps, they are not available and will make no difference if they were as their damage application against sub caps is lacking. The anti sub cap missiles in hisec are very poor in terms of damage, outside of hisec people are having a lot of fun with the bomb launchers.

I don't see where you made up that sentence about people not using weapons suitable fo the situation, you have only one type of DPS weapon in hisec plus of course the fighters which have no player bonus applied to them which is really odd in my opinion, but each to their own. I think your point was more to do with people only relying on the Citadel weapons systems and not having a fleet or even putting a ship out in space and I understand that point if that is what you were trying to say. In terms of that you know that most of hisec is in evasion mode, so it will take time to change.

I like the concept of having something else for sub caps and hope CCP do make some adjustments here, but I think that the weapons systems may not get changed for a while as this may be something that gets hisec players to think about banding together and fighting.

It sure sounds like the problem with citadels (especially high-sec ones) is that much larger corporations are preying upon smaller corps. Thus, guaranteeing that the defending corp cannot possibly defend their structure with or without fleet support.

Citadels, unlike POS's, do not give the small corp the option of erecting a "Dhick Star" setup, which is designed to annoy the heck out of the much larger attacking fleet such that they just give up or don't attack at all.

Now, the only way to annoy the hell out of a much larger fleet and defend your home structure is to deploy 10 or 20 or 30 citadels in the same system and make the attackers have to play a guessing game.

So basically a small corp went from a single POS with a bunch of energy neut batteries as their defense to being required to erect multiple citadels in the same system to keep the attackers guessing and annoyed...

Compared to POS warfare, this citadel defense sounds like utter stupidity.

For a Raitaru two people can kill them easily.

Funny enough I was doing an investigation into the Perimeter war, and it is having an affect, participation by PH in Perimeter is reducing and they are even putting up fleets called "Not a Perimeter fleet" Which means we get into the issue I raised that people will just put up a huge number of them. You can put up an Azbel with a market hub and it costs 5bn as compared to 15bn for a Fortizar, this is now being used by some people with very deep pockets. Who will win, boredom of flying fleets to keep shooting them or the massive deep pockets of market traders, my money is on the market traders...

The good part is that my salvage and P4 efforts are worth so much more.

You are right, there won't be a lot of concentrated attacks on citadels. Not unless the Very Dangerous fleet commanders are so starved of content that they resort to keeping their Very Dangerous pilots occupied with destroying them.

The thing is, folks are harsh on Eve designers for doing their best. I actually like the whole idea of the Raitaru. Yes, it is easily killed. But it only costs 700 mil, so why not? Why should folks be able to have ultra durable tools for a cheap price?

Just make sure you earn more than 700 million, and then who cares if you lose it? If you can't make 700 million in a reasonable time..... what for you need a Rautaru??

The Raitaru and the new mechanics also provide much needed fresh gameplay for industrialists and miners who need some love.

We all understand that Very Dangerous fleet commanders and their hordes of Very Dangerous pilots need content. And we understand that, despite being Very Dangerous, these folks would rather blow up easy targets than fight each other in matched combat. And we further understand that it is edgy and clever to massively outnumber opponents and win by such daring and skill.

And therefore we understand that the industrialists must be fed to the Very Dangerous pilots as evidence that they are, in fact, VERY Dangerous folks.

Personally, I have been waiting for it for a while now. the Raitaru's are up in null sec, and we have been waiting for the fleets to come get them. None have showed up. Not that we were going to make a grand fight of it. Heck, we built the things to lose them. We just want a fight. Some kind of fight.

We were so incredibly bored and starved of a fight a few weeks back that we deliberately fitted hull tanked blaster ships and charged into a medium plex, attacking a fleet our size. Needless to say, in FW space the mob descended and we got very little content. A little bit, but only a few seconds.

Everyone complains that Eve might die due to subscriber angst over drama, but I think the better fear is that Eve will never die, that it can't die. I have this vision (nightmare) of Eve remaining forever on some forgotten private server, no longer developed by anyone but still active for the few thousand folks who still love to fly around New Eden and check out all the cool stuff there is to see. Maybe blow up a few rats. every now and again, see another player. Dock up. Be safe.

I think that is the safe vision. there all always be a New Eden. The only question is whether anyone gets paid to develop it further. Given how that has worked out over the past few years, I think we really need to ask what difference, at this stage, it would make.

CCP have long struggled with a player base that is half folks who have paid thousands of dollars and feel they own a slice of New Eden, and who (perhaps reasonably) believe they ought to be able to make their monthly plex without spending too many hours at the grind. The other half is folks who are paying such a huge premium for a computer game that they expect the thing to be fun. CCP staff get crushed in the middle of these two huge forces.

Just to be clear, everyone who subscribes is paying more in 6 months than they would have paid for any other game. Ever. To own it. I'm not saying Eve is bad value for money. I'm just saying that cheap, it ain't.

Does anyone remember the monocle thing? That, right there, was CCP.

Eve will never die. It can't. Too many folks are waiting for that to happen, and Eve has always been about boring the other guy to death.