EVE New Citizens Q&A

Well, this was posted early on 2016-11-18.

But if you're pointing out the people who replied after all these time, then yeah, it's time to stop beating the horse.

Says the guy who probably hasn't done much mining. There are many different aspects to mining. There is hisec, lowsec, and nullsec fleet mining. Which require varying degrees of experience with defensive PvP. Combating pirates, gate camps and gankers. There is ninja gas harvesting in wormholes, lowsec solo venture mining. Lowsec fleet mining, Ice mining, cloaked exploration frigate mining, With different ships, fits, and techniques.

At it's essence, mining is a PvP activity. The only difference between this and conventional combat PvP is that you are going into a combat zone with a ship which is not properly equipped to fight. Instead of seeking to make kills, the object of mining is to harvest the ore, avoid enemy contact, and get home alive. It is not simply a matter of pointing lasers at rocks and pressing F1 and F2.

Limiting alphas to Ventures entirely mitigates their usefulness at doing any kind of industry or mining fleet interaction. As the yield which a Venture can produce is very minor when harvesting ore. Such that it is often a complete waste of time. I commonly find that there is no point including alpha's in our mining fleets and encourage them to stick to doing ratting or missions.

Which is a shame. Because they are missing out on those opportunities to interact during fleet operations.... The only real success I've had with alpha's mining in fleet has been excursions into lowsec using Porpoise + Procurer + Venture.

That is the sentence that made me laugh. There are no different aspects to mining. There is mining and that is it.

Whether it is high, low, null, wormholes, ice, asteroid or gas...it is sitting there staring at whatever you are sucking with a bored look on your face, most of the time not even at your keyboard.

I laugh every time people complain about being ganked and now at the 'Alpha Entitlement' posts that have been cropping up recently.

Yes, I am an Alpha toon myself. I am not asking for anything more than what CCP has given. It is my choice not to have a sub and enjoy the full aspect of the game. If you want to experience it too, EARN IT with a PLEX or subscription.

Otherwise, suck it up buttercup.

Hello Kitty World is that way -------->

Sheesh...

fleet mining and solo mining to two completely different things. Also high sec versus null versus wormhole totally different experiences.

If you don't like mining then you don't like mining and that is fine. But please don't try to invalidate someone's experience of that aspect of the game just because it's different from yours.

I personally don't care for PvP, and to me all PvP is pretty much the same. But I'm not trying to tell people who enjoy it that it's not fun and all the same. I understand that they have a different experience of it than I do and I don't try to tell them that they are wrong because their experience differs from mine.

Good point. Ah the memories of cargo rigged Probe frigates while mining. That first jet can being stolen. The endless zipping back and forth afterwards....

I been out of eve for a couple years, I fell off just after the Venture was introduced due to computer dying of overheat exhaustion .

I came back as an alpha and wished I could get access to my PI knowing that there was loads of T3 stuff waiting to pick up. I played as an alpha for a month to get back in the swing of things before I reSUBed.

I missed my Mack and HULK, missed my my Orca(who I lovingly named Stacking Chedda)

But I understand, what was to stop me as a Alpha(or me a hundred Alphas with free accounts) setting dozens and dozens of planets and just swap accounts to update the PI and nothing else from those accounts. Shoot you already have 3 characters to set up PI on one Omega account . I know if I could I would set up a bunch of planets FOR FREE if I could. Thats just easy & free PLEX funding.

As far as cloaking, I never trained up enough to be any good. I was wanting to train it up for Black ops bomber(AWESOME lol) on an alt.

Thats something to strive for. Give me reasons to sub to eve.

We'll have to introduce it to my similarly-equipped Rokh, parked gathering dust in my home station. They must be getting a bit lonely these days.

Ah the good old days of mining frigates and cruisers, I still have a bait Osprey somewhere.

Hm. I would define "winning" a MMORPG as "continuing to have fun playing it". I have yet to find myself not having fun playing EVE.

If in a year EVE will be completely free to play, within two it will be gone. Which would be a shame, as IMO it's still the best game ever. Well, maybe except for Clan Lord, but that's a very special case, and will not be everyone's cup of tea.

It's almost as if CCP want to steer then Alphas into PvP ... I wonder if that might be because all studies that have ever been done on player retention shows that players who participate in PvP early on are most likely to stay in the game.

If you look at say Explorers they also have 1 ship to fly, their basic Tier 1 exploration frigate, and unlike the Venture they can´t even fit it properly since cloaking is an Omega skill. Still many players say that exploration is great for alphas while mining appearantly is not. Might it be the activity itself and not the ship one get's to use that's the real difference.