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making money as an alpha clone
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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2016-11-28 14:25:24 UTC
kai Barsov wrote:
thanks, guy, i can see this is a nice community, i guess i'll start learning about the game (because there's a freaking lot to learn xD) and max out all my alpha skills 1st

Yeah take your time to make some friends, find a rhythm you like and then think about plexing when you get comfortable.

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Netan MalDoran
Cathedral.
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2016-11-28 19:12:22 UTC
I always visualize it this way, if you have a job that even pays minimum wage, 2 hours of burger flipping will give you your monthly sub. No if you can make 1,200,000,000 ISK in 2 hours then great! But I highly doubt many people can (Looking at you moon goo O.O)

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Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#23 - 2016-11-28 20:45:31 UTC
I started out by running faction warfare defensive plexes. That's something a day one alpha can easily do. Then move on to offensive plexes. Alphas can definitely do small plexes in a Catalyst (T1 destroyer) and I think they can even handle a medium plex.

Understanding faction warfare and plexing mechanics takes a bit of research but it's not hard to do. Running defensive plexes will earn you at least 30 million an hour and offensive plexes can bump that as high as 100M+ once you understand how it works (and the conditions are right). Regardless, it's far in excess of what mining offers.

The best part is that it requires even less attention than mining, so it's something you can do while watching TV or doing other things on your computer.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#24 - 2016-11-29 20:54:32 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
kai Barsov wrote:
thanks, guy, i can see this is a nice community, i guess i'll start learning about the game (because there's a freaking lot to learn xD) and max out all my alpha skills 1st

Yeah take your time to make some friends, find a rhythm you like and then think about plexing when you get comfortable.


^ Or as CCP Guard would say, "what's the best ship in EVE? Friendship!"

As for everyone talking about real world money: Venezuela's inflation rate is currently in the order of 200-400% per annum and their national currency is literally not worth the paper it is printed on. If OP was to work a job burger flipping for Bolivar Fuerte, by the time he'd finished a shift he'd be poorer!

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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2016-11-29 21:17:01 UTC
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Who needs ISK? If you join one of the large newbie-oriented 0.0 groups, they'll probably give you free frigates for life and possibly tens, hundreds of millions of ISK; the alliances have organized SRP (ship replacement programs) and other newbie programs that they can pay from taxes, veteran contributions, or other 0.0 income sources


This..

I just posted in another thread how the big sov groups are far and away the easiest way to do anything in the game. When we were part of the CFC/Imperium I never had less than a dozen fleets on offer at any time. Everything from mining and ratting to ganking and PvP roams. The coalition also had specialized groups for bombers, spies, wormholes, etc. If it's available in Eve, the big sov groups have an entire internal community for it.

Once you have an SRP in place, even free ships in the corp hangar- you really have little need for isk anymore. You are free to chase whatever content interests you, without caring about whether it meets some isk/hr threshold.

I never cared to plex my account. I get enough out of Eve that it's worth the price of a pizza once a month. Consequently Eve isn't a second job for me where I care if I can 'make rent' each month. Sounds horrible to me. But if it's your cup of tea, then it will be a lot easier when everything else is free and you live in upgraded sov space with high end rewards and rich space friends to help.
Sharon Anstian
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-12-29 18:50:32 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Ok, so high-sec has very poor rewards, and this is an issue for everyone not just Alphas.

Low-sec has slightly better asteroid ores and exploration sites, but borderline not enough to justify the HUGE increase in risk from PVP. Faction Warfare PVP can be grinded for the Loyalty Points (LP coins) which you can use to buy items and sell on the market, allowing for some income.

Null-sec can be very profitable if you're part of an alliance, because they defend their space and thus you can do exploration or mining or whatever in relative safety, and take advantage of the rich resources.

Wormhole space, once you learn the game and how wormholes work, can be profitable because you typically do ninja-work, sneak in, grab a bunch of stuff, and run away before anyone catches you. And if they do, you're in a cheap Venture or other cheap frigate. You'll have to train some of the Alpha skills to 3 - 4 to maximize your chances of success.

Otherwise, to give you an idea of the options, there are several methods for making ISK in EVE:

0. For newbies: Career Missions give you approx 10 million in ships and cash for a few hours of work. Repeatable if you go to the other starting school locations and talk to the agents there. Sisters of EVE story arc gives you approx 15 million in a few hours, repeatable every 3 months.

1. Slow, steady grind: mining, running agent missions, exploration sites, Planet Management, some manufacturing. This is a very predictable income that depends on the sec. rating of the system, the lower the better. This allows you to get some ISK by just spending some time in-game.

2. %-return on investment: trading speculation. Once you have a few millions, you can daytrade in Jita, buying stuff when the price is down and selling it when the price goes up. You kinda need to know what's what, so that you can predict from the various announcements about game and item changes, what the prices will do. The more ISK you have, the more you can make with this method.

3. Do you feel lucky? methods: scamming, corp asset theft, suicide ganking transports. Can be very profitable if you get lucky or are good at tricking people, but it's not reliable from month to month or day to day.

4. Spend RL money. Very simple, 20 euro gets you 1 billion ISK via a PLEX purchase online and selling in Jita in-game. Not what you're looking for, but recommended for most newbies to take their mind off worrying about ISK and let them relax and learn the game.

5. Who needs ISK? If you join one of the large newbie-oriented 0.0 groups, they'll probably give you free frigates for life and possibly tens, hundreds of millions of ISK; the alliances have organized SRP (ship replacement programs) and other newbie programs that they can pay from taxes, veteran contributions, or other 0.0 income sources.

In any case, training your skills to 3-4 means you'll fly your ships better, which means you increase the profits because you mine more or are able to survive in dangerous space a bit better, or you have lower taxes and more orders available due to trading skills. So just be patient and don't give up; EVE is a long term game.


Games are played by their players because of their fun factor. Generally, I would not think doing the same thing like mining repeatedly would be in any way entertaining. I make millions in ISK warping around and looting/salvaging wrecks I find, or hunting industrials in low-sec. Exploration and ratting almost never get old, and they are high-paying "jobs" that can be run by any player at low costs.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#27 - 2016-12-29 20:52:49 UTC
By far the quickest way to make money as a new player is scamming. I won't comment on if it's right or wrong, but sitting in a trade hub posting messages while watching TV will earn you enough for a plex in a day.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#28 - 2016-12-30 03:12:19 UTC
Two things posted in this thread as ways to make isk are not available to Alpha toons.

They cannot do Planetary Interaction due to not having access to the skills for Planetary Management.

They cannot do Highsec Incursions due to the requirements of flying Battleships full o' blingbling, yo. Alpha characters don't have access to large guns or battleships. No incursion community would even look at them for logistics due to the low skills presented flying a Scythe (shield) or Augoror (armor), even maxed out as Alpha. No Baskies either.
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#29 - 2016-12-30 09:44:00 UTC
kai Barsov wrote:


anyway, i'm just starting to do mining, but feels it'll take me forever to buy a plex this way

If you suffer from an economy that makes buying game time or PLEX with dollars a pain I would NOT try to PLEX with ISK right away but just play for free. Much, much more fun, trust me on that. Start a separate Alpha account for each race - you can use the same mail address for all of them. Now you can train each account for a different EVE carrier. For Example you could train a Gallente Account with a miner and a ore-hauler (Miasmos). And a Minmatar Account to hunt clone soldiers in a Trasher. Or a Caldari Clone to run level II missions in a Caracal. Join the Amarr fraction war in a Tormentor. Perhaps even add one more account/clone with a Wormhole explorer of your choice to keep it in an empty low level wormhole. Just do some scanning and hacking now and then and dump the loot in highsec whenever a good connection comes up. Collect the loot whenever you come to that part of space with one of your other pilots.

You can test all the T1 frigates, destroyers and cruisers that way. See if you like lasers, drones or missiles. Join a big Alpha Corp like PanCakes to fight in battles. Join a small WH crop and get rich by scanning, rolling and salvaging for them. Huff some WH gas, do some Nullsec ratting in a Vexor or Gnosis. And after you are done with all that you will not only know what ships, people and places you like best in EVE. You will have enough ISK to PLEX your favorite account and the knowledge how to keep it PLEXed without much grind. If you don’t need some of your alpha accounts anymore at that point you can just train them to 5 million skillpoints and sell them to an injector farmer.

Hakawai
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2016-12-31 20:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakawai
@ OP

There's a meta-analysis you can apply to this: if an Alpha could easily (say 20-30 hours play) earn a PLEX per month, the price of PLEX would go way up until Alphas couldn't afford them.

There's no easy way to play normal hours and earn a PLEX per month as a solo Alpha,and there never will be. On the other hand, if you have protection from a powerful Corp, and through them access to low-sec income, the "income game" changes dramatically.

If you know it's not practical for you to earn enough "real-life" money to become an Omega clone, I suggest you put a lot of effort into finding the right Corp. It might take a month or two, but the first few months of EVE, even as an ISK-poor solo Alpha clone, are fun anyway.

Of course you should try some of the high-risk, high-return approaches that have been mentioned here too. But keep track of the actual ISK per hour you're earning. If you find a way that will reliably buy you a PLEX per month you should stay with it. But don't imagine the numbers you hear in-game are averages - all you'll ever hear is that player's best-ever score.

At first glance you'd expect that all EVE players would understand about averages, but actually it's the traders and manufacturers who can count - most combat pilots can't :)
BigBoss Sanchez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2017-01-01 19:11:12 UTC
Well I don't know much about this, but if you can raise about 100 million ISK through exploration or what ever, and you can have a go at buying things cheap and hauling them to jita to sell for a large profit. Try the website Eve Market data. It gives you many statistics on Price, Profit, Space needed, profit margin etc. This works best when you start with a lot however, but can be done by anyone with a big enough ship. As an alpha myself I'm about to start this, and I've more than doubled my wallet
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