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making money as an alpha clone

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kai Barsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-11-27 20:05:05 UTC
hi guys, this is my 1st post and i'd really like to know this

is it posible for an alpha clone to make enough money to buy a PLEX? or it requires so much time and effort that is really hard for someone new to make enough money for it?

before anything, i want to state that is literally imposible for me to buy plex with real money, it has to do with the economy of the country i live that makes is imposible for us to buy stuff like this.
Bemo
Narcosis.
#2 - 2016-11-27 20:08:50 UTC
Anything is possible just not likely probable. Thing that alot of people forget is that EVE is a game. If you spend all your time trying to make the next plex the game turns into a job.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2016-11-27 20:28:16 UTC
Bemo wrote:
Anything is possible just not likely probable.

That's a very broad statement to make, particularly when he hasn't told you where he lives.

As an alpha I'd give an educated guess and say yes
but
It's not going to be easy.

The age old question we used to get was "is it possible to Plex in a 14 day trial"
And yeah , it is but usually by leveraging experience and prior knowledge of effective and efficient methodology.

So

As an alpha you don't have the same time restrictions but you're locked in a skill set and you train half the speed.

The key here will be getting a solid foundation in Fun, you're going to want to find people who you want to login and have fun or even just chat with who can facilitate your learning the mechanics.
That way
1) you're going to get to grips with eve a hell of a lot faster and
2) it shouldn't matter if you mange it as you can login and have the craic with yer mates regardless
Bemo
Narcosis.
#4 - 2016-11-27 20:38:54 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Bemo wrote:
Anything is possible just not likely probable.

That's a very broad statement to make, particularly when he hasn't told you where he lives.





I was talking about the making isk to buy a plex not the part about not able to buy it with real money .......
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#5 - 2016-11-27 20:52:56 UTC
As an ALPHA it is certainly doable. FW or Exploration will probably be the fastest methods for making that much isk as an Alpha, and still having time for other things. But making a plex monthly as a rookie alpha is unlikely. Really, you don't want to spend more than a week making a plex, and then only if you enjoy the activity. Never forget that eve is a game and is supposed to be fun. Too many newbies come in with the dream of making plex from isk, and don't realize the resources and player skills that are necessary to do so.

Join a corp that will train you and hopefully replace lost ships. This will shorten the learning curve and lower the risk and time it takes to reship. Faster isk comes from greater risk. Which is useless before you have the skills to mitigate that risk.

Also, don't forget the power of teaming up. A few alphas working together is potentially stronger than a single omega in a blinged out ship.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

kai Barsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-11-27 20:55:36 UTC
i live in venezuela, i just don't like to mention it very much.

anyway, i'm just starting to do mining, but feels it'll take me forever to buy a plex this way
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-11-27 21:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Usually we don't recommend trying at all. Given that it can easily turn the game into a grind.

However, given your geographic situation:


  • FW mission farming


  • Running HS Incursions


  • Nul Sec ratting



with a well established Alliance are probably the highest ISK/per hour if you want to grind.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#8 - 2016-11-27 21:02:52 UTC
kai Barsov wrote:

anyway, i'm just starting to do mining, but feels it'll take me forever to buy a plex this way


I think gas mining might be the best bet as a miner. Or ninja moon mining. Something like that.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2016-11-27 21:18:46 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
kai Barsov wrote:

anyway, i'm just starting to do mining, but feels it'll take me forever to buy a plex this way


I think gas mining might be the best bet as a miner. Or ninja moon mining. Something like that.


I missed OP saying that. Ref. to 'Ninja Gas Mining' tips. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6720983#post6720983

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2016-11-27 21:29:18 UTC
You don't have to buy a PLEX you can subscribe with a credit card.

However if you want to sub as an alpha it does not have to be an all or nothing scenario. Just make isk and when you have enough to buy a PLEX then do so. You will be able to train for a month and build up skills. Maybe you can only PLEX one out of every four months in the beginning.

As you get better at the game and your character gains more skills eventually that will go down and at some point you will be able to PLEX every month.

In theory you could PLEX every month as an alpha but if you run the numbers on what you are making per hour it would be like a full time job.

I will pick a quick example that is not an ideal situation but a very realistic situation... I don't know exactly what an alpha can make mining in a venture so I'll pick belt ratting as an example because if you get into a decent sized null sec alliance you should be able to belt rat regularly and get steady income from it. I have heard of players making 200 Million isk per hour running missions in high sec but I think that takes more player experience and is not an alpha account activity.

So belt ratting in low or null sec you should be able to make 6-8 Million isk bounty ticks which is every 20 minutes so that is 18-24 Million isk per hour. Occasionally you will get a decent faction drop in there from time to time but it is hard to calculate that so I will stick with just bounty ticks. So lets say 20 Million isk per hour for easy math. So 1 Billion isk for a PLEX divided by 20 Million isk per hour is 50 hours of belt ratting per month to buy a PLEX. That does not include any faction drops which you will see doing that much ratting.

I would think that an alpha account should be able to null sec belt rat in a navy cruiser fairly well. So this is realistic. Probably something like exploration would be better income but it's more hit or miss so hard for me to calculate. Also I have much less experience in exploration, but at least this is an idea.

And again if you are omega for a month and then can't quite make the Billion isk and have to go alpha for a week or two and then go back to omega that is totally doable

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voetius
Grundrisse
#11 - 2016-11-27 21:30:35 UTC

Ninja gas mining and faction war missions are going to be the easiest ways. There are ways to make huge amounts of isk in a short time but they all require advanced knowledge of the game and often a large wallet as well.

Most things in the game have an entry barrier - either of skills or in game knowledge that you learn over time. However, most players are risk averse (including me to some extent) and both of the above are more about taking risks to get a higher pay-out. As an alpha you don't have much to lose, and if you are in an empty clone (have no implants or hardwires) and flying a T1 frigate or venture (for gas mining) you can't lose much isk either.

As an alpha one thing you could do is build up your in game knowledge of gas mining and / or FW missions until you hit the skillpoint cap - and then go for the higher risk, higher pay-out options.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2016-11-27 21:31:34 UTC
Bemo wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Bemo wrote:
Anything is possible just not likely probable.

That's a very broad statement to make, particularly when he hasn't told you where he lives.





I was talking about the making isk to buy a plex not the part about not able to buy it with real money .......

Fair enough.
My apologies.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-11-27 21:43:11 UTC
Another 'low access point' ISK farming technique is hunting 'Clone Soldier Tag' rats in low sec.

A blaster Destroyer would be the best option for an Alpha. Cormorant or Catalyst.

Find them in asteroid belts in FW space. The tags in the 0.1 and 0.2 systems are worth 20mil each.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Security_tags

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

gfldex
#14 - 2016-11-27 21:43:32 UTC
Let's assume it would be easy for an alpha to earn the ISK for a PLEX every 30 days. Given where you are from you should know what can happen to prices if supply and demand don't have a chance to match anymore. Even if there was a reasonable method to earn sufficient ISK to plex an alpha, talking about it on a public forum would defy the purpose of asking about it.

You may want to read between my lines.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-11-27 22:14:37 UTC
I invited a newbie once.

He calculated that he would be able to plex within the two weeks of the trial by mining about 18 hours a day with a venture.

... yeah.

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Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#16 - 2016-11-27 22:50:57 UTC
kai Barsov wrote:
hi guys, this is my 1st post and i'd really like to know this

is it posible for an alpha clone to make enough money to buy a PLEX? or it requires so much time and effort that is really hard for someone new to make enough money for it?

before anything, i want to state that is literally imposible for me to buy plex with real money, it has to do with the economy of the country i live that makes is imposible for us to buy stuff like this.


Mining is litterally one of the worst ways to make isk as an alpha. That includes gas mining. I went gas mining on an omega with better skills than you could get as an alpha and only included the time i was actively mining. I was making 5-6 mil an hour. Gas mining use to pay good, but it really doesnt anymore. I was mining gas that pays 10xxx a unit which is the best ive found living in a WH.


Lets assume a plex is 1.2 bil isk. Playing:

* 10 hours a week you will need to make 30 mil an hour
* 20 hours a week you will need to make 15 mil an hour.
* 40 hour a week you will need to make 7.5 mil an hour.

This doesnt include isk you will need for ships, ammo, skills, etc.


The fastest way to make isk is to learn to scan and hack. You can make 100 mil or more an hour doing this however its very hit and miss. You may have good days and you may have days where you make almost nothing. You need to get fast at scanning and hacking. Practice in high sec. Research scanning and hacking videos and guides.


You will want all skills related to scanning and hacking trained up as high as you can as well as frigates to high as level as possible. You will also want some cash in reserve. At least 5 mil but 20 plus mil is better.


What your going to do is take your racial exploration frigate and your going to fit it with a data and relic analyzers. A 5mn microwarp drive, a core probe launcher and 8 or 16 scan probes(16 makes life a bit easier but more investment), and finally put interial stablizers in your low slots. This will allow you enter warp faster which is important. Jita is probably going to be the cheapest hub to buy all this. You want to keep your investment under 1 mil isk or as close to 1 mil isk as possible.


Then your going to go out scanning somewhere away from busy systems. Ideally you want systems with less than 10 people in them. While the amount of people in system doesnt really matter. It indicates how busy the system is and how likely you are to get people that find the same Wormhole as you.

Scan down all signatures in the system. Run the relic and data sites. Warp to all wormholes and see where they go and how long they have left( this information is available in show info on the wormhole). You will have to learn what the info in show info means and you will have to learn wormhole mechanics and learn the basics about wormhole space, null space and low space, so you understand what your getting into.

What you want to do is find wormholes that go to low, null, or low class wspace. Then you want to jump through scan relic and data sites, then jump out without getting caught with your loot. Then sell it in jita.


You will lose ships doing this. However 1 low relic or data site should earn enough isk to replace your ship 5 times or more. 1 null or w space site should make enough to replace your ship 10 times or more. Sites can pay 5 - 100 mil each. It takes about 5-15 minutes to run the site and however long to scan it. This is the fast method to make isk with alpha skills.


The second best way to make isk would be to join a null alliance and rat in their space. It will pay better than mining or killing NPCs in high sec.
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#17 - 2016-11-27 23:18:27 UTC
First maybe take your time, alpha is not going anywhere, it's not like a timed trial. Take this time as an alpha to max your skills up, at least the combat relevant ones(which really is most skills), the more skills the faster the kills the more isk you make. Making enough for the first plex will be a heavy grind, but do upgrade your ships as that will break some boredom and speed the process up. Once you buy a plex and unlock other skills to train you should be able to do L4's before the next payment is due, and thats a lot more isk. Then again being fully paid you might want to join a corp that will help you out in more dangerous but lucrative places in the game.
Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-11-28 01:42:27 UTC
Mining and Missioning wont give you enoug isk to fund your plex as an alpha clone. The options you got are ratting in null, wormoles and FW.

I believe you can do station trading as well.
kai Barsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-11-28 10:44:42 UTC
thanks, guy, i can see this is a nice community, i guess i'll start learning about the game (because there's a freaking lot to learn xD) and max out all my alpha skills 1st
Memphis Baas
#20 - 2016-11-28 13:32:08 UTC
Ok, so high-sec has very poor rewards, and this is an issue for everyone not just Alphas.

Low-sec has slightly better asteroid ores and exploration sites, but borderline not enough to justify the HUGE increase in risk from PVP. Faction Warfare PVP can be grinded for the Loyalty Points (LP coins) which you can use to buy items and sell on the market, allowing for some income.

Null-sec can be very profitable if you're part of an alliance, because they defend their space and thus you can do exploration or mining or whatever in relative safety, and take advantage of the rich resources.

Wormhole space, once you learn the game and how wormholes work, can be profitable because you typically do ninja-work, sneak in, grab a bunch of stuff, and run away before anyone catches you. And if they do, you're in a cheap Venture or other cheap frigate. You'll have to train some of the Alpha skills to 3 - 4 to maximize your chances of success.

Otherwise, to give you an idea of the options, there are several methods for making ISK in EVE:

0. For newbies: Career Missions give you approx 10 million in ships and cash for a few hours of work. Repeatable if you go to the other starting school locations and talk to the agents there. Sisters of EVE story arc gives you approx 15 million in a few hours, repeatable every 3 months.

1. Slow, steady grind: mining, running agent missions, exploration sites, Planet Management, some manufacturing. This is a very predictable income that depends on the sec. rating of the system, the lower the better. This allows you to get some ISK by just spending some time in-game.

2. %-return on investment: trading speculation. Once you have a few millions, you can daytrade in Jita, buying stuff when the price is down and selling it when the price goes up. You kinda need to know what's what, so that you can predict from the various announcements about game and item changes, what the prices will do. The more ISK you have, the more you can make with this method.

3. Do you feel lucky? methods: scamming, corp asset theft, suicide ganking transports. Can be very profitable if you get lucky or are good at tricking people, but it's not reliable from month to month or day to day.

4. Spend RL money. Very simple, 20 euro gets you 1 billion ISK via a PLEX purchase online and selling in Jita in-game. Not what you're looking for, but recommended for most newbies to take their mind off worrying about ISK and let them relax and learn the game.

5. Who needs ISK? If you join one of the large newbie-oriented 0.0 groups, they'll probably give you free frigates for life and possibly tens, hundreds of millions of ISK; the alliances have organized SRP (ship replacement programs) and other newbie programs that they can pay from taxes, veteran contributions, or other 0.0 income sources.

In any case, training your skills to 3-4 means you'll fly your ships better, which means you increase the profits because you mine more or are able to survive in dangerous space a bit better, or you have lower taxes and more orders available due to trading skills. So just be patient and don't give up; EVE is a long term game.
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