Warfare & Tactics

In regards to the bit about pirates being adversely affected by FW changes, CCP should seriously look at shaving a constellation or two from each side of the Caldari-Gallente warzone and maybe one from the Minmatar side of their warzone.

For Caldari, I would take away Ieyama and Urpiken (top corners: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Caldari_VS_Gallente)

And for Gallente, Serthoulde (Far left) and Beyt (hi/low sec connected to Serthoulde).

The benefits of this would be to lessen the number of systems affected by the changes, allow a bit of a buffer from nul sec, and concentrate the militia PvP in a warzone that is probably far too big as it stands.

Sigh, TL;DR ahead.

Just got done reading the notes along with this thread. Mixed reaction to it all, mostly negative

1) Cearain

Stop putting your plexing ideas into this thread. Not many are in support of it and if nothing else this isn't the place to have the discussion, just drop it and for the love of god stop mentioning it in every thread. We can see the link in your sig if we are interested.

2) Overall Minutes reaction

No one here should be surprised at this. The title alone was in the assembly hall and it DOES reflect the attitude of the current CSM which WE WILL NOT have any representation it unless we get every faction and pirate corp in fw zones to unite together under a single willing representative. I mean, look at who attended the meeting, soundwave ffs who's last suggestion was to remove highsec npcs...

In general the attitude of the CSM reflects what they think of the general player base. They refer to their own members in general as "line members" stemming from the lemmings that comprise their ranks. ANYONE not being a major player in the napfest that is actually playing the 0.0 game is not going to receive thier respect or actual attention unless it benifits their game.

And lets be frank here, although we are running the same client fw'ers and nullbears are not playing the same game. The differences are listed in many a thread, but its a different universe in fw lowsec, which is why many of us went to null and said f*ck that.

In general, they are paying attention to the items we wanted looked at (except for the most glaring one that EVERYONE agrees on which is NPC rebalancing). The fact that they didn't even mention means that absolutely NONE of the threads we have made about fw have even been considered.

The CSM and in turn CCP simply doesn't care beyond a 15min convo.

3) Leadership

We have stated we wanted leadership (or meaningful ranks), so this is a plus in the sense that its being considered. It is blantantly obvious that no one there knows about the current political situation(s) outside of the forum wars. The suggestion they give is rediculas (voting, rofl). We as a community could come up with a much better system, however something tells me its not going to happen. Oh well, workarounds have been done before.

4) Sov mechanics

Huge area of concern. We wanted meaningful sov but nearly everyone likes the pvp style that plexes provide. Removing them will kill FW, MARK MY WORDS. I know I for one would quit if that happened, as it would remove the existance of straggling small gangs in fw lowsec (i don't mean null small gangs, i mean like 3-10 ppl) as well as a great deal of solo fights where plexes are used as pvp beacons.

I am in favor of the idea of moving fw low sec around, but lets be real, that is NEVER going to happen. I will believe it when i see it. The rate at which CCP changes things means if this did happen it would be in 2015, so who cares.

5) Realistic conclusions

a) We need to identify a realistic, willing CSM representative ASAP. Not only that, but the people on the forums have got to rally everyone who is going to be affected. All four factions, pirates, newbies, rp'ing alliances (cva, ushra).

b) FW is getting looked at and as such it isn't abandoned. We can look forward to seeing fw'ers going to the next AT, so thats a plus.

c) The vagueness of many of the items listed means only that nothing will be changing in the next few years, so as far as "where is fw going" we don't really need to be concerned as we have time to change the direction of the ship. Most of the things we want changed have to happen AFTER the aggression software is changed which means it wont happen for a long long time.

Well I feel better, F*CK you CSM and thanks for nothing.


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if you want 0.0, there's a stargate waiting for you to jump into it.

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Would a rise in Cal-Gal militia populations mean more hot systems or just more ships in the current hot systems? I'd hope for the former, but we both know it'd be a lot more of the latter. Militia overpopulation is a problem we'd welcome over the current situation.

I think the Amarr side of their warzone is too small, but it does make Minmatar missions more fun, and there are a few small Amarr corps that do a lot of mission blocking because of it. Cal-Gal is completely different. There's just way too many dead systems to exploit for missions. The only reason you would take a fleet into them is to fight pirates, which wouldn't change much as a lot of them are set up to camp hi sec gates and shoot at those coming/going to nul sec.

Also, if nul sec alliances are going to take advantage of the FW, they will do so in those constellations, not the ones that see militia on militia action.

But that's like my opinion, man.

Ugh, that is quite fearsome determination in resolving your carebeary tears. I have been doing some plexing lately (of couse not so much compared to crazier people like Damar, Val or whoever is the biggest plexer for Amarr/Minmatar) and to be honest, I have not detected any measurable resentment about the NPC in plexes among any people orbiting the buttons with me. You know why? Because the good players don't whine about it. Look at those two I mentioned. They are ranked among the highest killers in the militias and they are batshit crazy about plexing (and sorry tho those two for comparing, I know you hate each other's guts). And then there are several other people with comparable stats who do not plex. What does it tell us? The NPCs in plexes don't really matter. Do please, listen to the others and drop it already, at least here.



I would not say everyone. Some rebalancing has been done and e.g. the ECM in Caldari plexes is not as bad as they say it used to be (I was not in FW at the beginning, so sorry for the hearsay, somewhat mitigated by my personal experience in current plexes).

But, put together, we could think of a reasonable issue or two and some really important NO GOs (as in "over our dead subscriptions"). Question is, will anyone important read it? I don't know, if there is anyone from CSM who responded to this thread (I don't know them) but clearly, there is not a single one from CCP. So our goal should be to get their attention. Otherwise this thread full of bickering has no meaning besides the bickering.

This is the anti-blob mechanism of FW once CCP gives some reward for plexing, the distance. Personally, I like it, it gives a chance for people to spread out, for winning to be something other than who wins the fleet fight.

Gotta make sure every system is in jump range for a bridge from a single system I suppose. Infact, while we're at it why not condense all of eve into one system. It'd be much easier to control since everyone is too lazy to travel a few jumps.

Awful frog logic is awful

I feel like them saying stuff like "Use FW to test sov mechanics for null" is like the rich pharmaceutical companies saying "we will just test are drugs on the poor cause they don't mean ****"

Oh man. Another FW thread I just discovered.

I dont even know if I have the energy to read through 7 pages here, I think I've said enough in the others that most know how I feel about these issues!

Thanks for the keeping the subject elevated at least.

Oh - and Cearain, and everyone else - play nice. I agree Cearain, you do pimp the plexing stuff a bit too blatantly whether you realize it or not, the link in your signature is enough that I encourage you to stick to the subject at hand and keep the plex debate to its own thread, or the main FW: Moving Forward thread. I'm sure if CCP's been reviewing FW feedback at all, they are well familiar with your insight and advice by now there's no need to say it in every thread. I say this not to be a **** but because I think you have excellent ideas, and I don't want others here to stop listening to you because they lose respect.

That being said, I hope everyone here understands Cearain's on the same team as the rest of us - we all just want FW to be shaped in OUR image, not that of a nullsec entity or CCP dev's who don't get it. Death to all that might hamper the almighty pew!!

qft. Maybe adjust the plexing points to victory points and tweak the victory points you get for killing opposing militia pilots. Not sure if you get victory points for missions. Would hope not as someone abusing militia as a cash cow and contributing nothing to his cause should have no say either.

Bottom Line:

-No one on CSM caring to contact FW pilots for there opinion (so much for representation)
-No one on CSM from FW representing US.
-No ability for FW pilots to see eye to eye on anything let alone all agree to a candidate or two to toss in their hat to the CSM race and represent ALL FW pilots.

P.S. After trying out plexing. All those that think plexing is boring or 'PVE' etc. Your doing it wrong! plexing got me more fights/kills and losses than anything else i tried in eve ever.