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This, that's why ships tend to act weirdly for certain functions at 0m/s, and why align time is calculated from a standing start and is the same regardless of initial 'orientation' unless the ship is already moving.

Given what's been said about the random bomb selection and the behavior of the missiles after a bomb has been destroyed, I don't see this as a hard counter to bombs. I see it as adding some amount of mitigation. I don't think that in practice it will be all that bad for bombers. Throw in the additional incentive for new players to get involved meaningfully and have to learn to coordinate, and it's probably a net positive.

The thing that I don't like about it is giving the bonus to command destroyers. We have enough reasons to fly destroyers right now. I'd prefer to see keep the ability to fit them to t1 destroyers (for Alphas) and add the ability for assault frigates to fit them, and put the bonus there.

But maybe that's just because I love my AFs.

I don't think AFs are the right hull for this sort of thing. It doesn't fit their other roles and bonuses for one.

I do agree that this won't kill bomb use though. It's mitigation and there will be ways around it, whether that's with clever bomb deployment timings or just throwing more bombs at the problem. Right now though Bombs are far too useful and powerful for anyone to seriously consider abandoning them, and similarly this will probably push large fleet FCs to form squads of Command Destroyers for a mix of range control and bomb defense.

Worst cases for this change are either they have to tone it down a little, or it doesn't have a significant impact on fleet comps and things stay more or less as they are.

Oh god not you again :)

People did abandon bombing except a few FCs. Right now a successful bombrun happens every once in a month maybe even two months, compared to what we had 1 or 2 years ago that is a really low rate of occurance. Stats speak for themselves. Do you seriously think that is powerful or in its right place in meta? Have you ever tried to bomb a fleet, or are you aware of the multiple nerfs that has been done on bombing the last year? You like organization and coordination. Do yo know how much of these is needed to land a successful run, and even then every single type of fleet can avoid dying with a simple warp off?

Missiles in EVE always hit. There is no missing with missiles. Who care if it's better than patriot? The game does not have to follow any real life concern. It only does so when it fitting game play wise and balance wise.

i support again the no need of that.

in same way give us t2 bomb heavly skill intensive or a bomber cruiser or something making bomber not daily nerfed.

If this change goes through in the near future, I would like to know if defender missiles on current NPC will changed with this.

Will NPC currently fitted with defender missiles be or not be able to hit incoming missiles if this change is confirmed?

Patchnotes-Update:

"Changed the behavior of Defender Missiles, you can find out more here."

This is one factor but it's not that simple. There are other factors. A CSM of all people should be aware of this.

People tend to argue (even in feedback forums) taking their only own playstyle into account rather than the general goodness of the game, so if some playstyle is played less, it is gonna be defended less. We both can agree people who bomb are less than people who get bombed. This has been a way bigger factor in general in feedback forums than the "negative feedback expressed more" factor, and also is a great factor in this topic which would otherwise have been filled with negative feedback even to a way greater degree.

I think in this case the feedback, both in here and on reddit, immensely is against the change, especially considering the fact that many null FCs or capsuleers (who usually are the targets of bombing activity) also have the same stance. This can be seen if the discussions are closely analyzed.

If CCP goes along with it either they know something we don't (entirely possible), or they prioritize empowering alphas over bombing meta balance (debatable but bad choice imho for everyone including alphas), or there is not much point to these feedback forums because they don't pay attention.

You guys make us (every FC seeking content with a 20+ man bomber fleet at his/her disposal) wanna conduct bombing runs less and less with each nerf to bombing. Using these bombers to hotdrop on people seem way more rewarding and fun. And people with objectives (destroy citadel, enemy fleet etc) will just prefer taking other ships out. Just so you know where you keep pushing people. As a bombing FC this is the first time ever I come to this forums and make a significant case. Maybe this can show at least I'm not the type of dude who screams at forums whenever his playstyle is nerfed.

nope the counter is bluff runs/more bombs per run 7 is no longer the holy number



i do think this is much to big a nerff to bombs and does need the addition of fun new bombs to compensate.

perhaps a focused bomb that when it hits a target will then web out and hit other targets trickling down in sig size. so you hit a carrier then if any BBs are near it will jump to them and then jump down to the next smaller ships up with a max number of jumps. similar but less powerful than the citadel DD