EVE General Discussion

This is true, but that can still be a pain if the system is large and requires multiple warps just to d-scan all the plexes. Also, keep in mind that I'm not talking about reducing the total number of plexes that can spawn in a day or per hour, only the number that can be open and warpable simultaneously in a single system.



This is bang-on.

OOrrrah!!

Very well put, this sums up my feelings exactly. What we have here is a clear case of a group of individuals who don't understand us, representing us.

Is Faction Warfare a sinking hole? Depends on how you look at it. Every day I can undock and get some fun kills, I hate to use words like that to describe it. Is it headed somewhere we don't want to go? Not if we keep fighting. I'm not giving this up, I hope you all stick with me here until we see this thing to the bitter end. Like I said - these talks are just the beginning. We still have an opportunity to keep pushing harder, and higher up the chain to get our voices heard.

I am no way acquiescing to the vision of FW portrayed by the summit notes, but I still am partially pleased by the very fact we've gotten the conversation pushed this far. I just want to remind everyone a year ago we had CCP stand us up at our own fanfest circle, now we're the topic of private talks between the CSM and the lead game designer.

Have we elevated Faction Warfare in terms of visibility? Absolutely. Have we gotten their attention back on to one of the games most broken features? Absolutely. Are they actually going to dig into the code this summer and make some improvements? I personally believe so.

Are they completely in touch with the community's own wishes for the feature? Absoutely not.

The last part is the hardest, but it is still achievable. What I urge everyone in here to remember is this - We have a dying "feature", but a living community. CCP still doesn't see the latter, because one of our own isn't in those talks yet. I believe that will change.

In the meantime - we face a force of attrition. Many of you are weary from the forum warrioring, your energies are running out, patience is razor thin, and the notes are (rightfully so) only hurting morale. But this isn't over until we see patch notes containing it all - whether its OUR list, or THEIR list.

I can't tell you what having you all in here working to keep this thread bumped, active, and filled with excellent ideas has meant to me. Your tenacity is why I love and respect Faction Warfare pilots so dearly, everyone here wants to FIGHT, and you've taken that to defend the feature itself, not just your factions.

I started this thread three months ago - it is now 42 pages long and one of the most active threads in the forum. YOUR dedication is the only reason I believe that we even have CSM summit notes to complain about right now. I think we've already changed minds at the top, even if we haven't turned the heads far enough.

We will lose more players to apathy, hopelessness, anger, frustration, and disappointment, before Faction Warfare is finally overhauled. I hope we can all try to stay constructive, keep speaking up - because if its only a dozen of us in here, our words become the complaints of a bitter few, not the demands of the many. Bring your friends into the thread - we need more input, more voices standing together - to counteract those that inevitably will tire of the wait and move on to other games, or other scenes within New Eden.

The CSM notes do NOT describe a FW that reflects where we - the dedicated community who has invested EVERYTHING to keeping it alive when CCP abandoned it - want it to go. But that does not mean we are not making progress. Before we could ever hope to share our vision, we had to prove that Faction Warfare is desperately broken (mechanically), and we've accomplished that. We had to prove that fixing Faction Warfare will mean something to the rest of the game as well - we've accomplished that. As many pointed out, a council seat will be the next necessary step in our march forward.

There is still hope, there is still time. This is a first pass, the current CSM will come and go, and we will have the opportunity to correct the course - if everyone pitches in and keeps working together across all factions. Let the last year teach us all that change is possible, and that CCP does listen to its players.

I wouldn't keep posting day, after day, after day, If I really thought that the vision we read in the notes is really going to come to pass despite our attempts at intervention. If we give up now though, and call it day - I guarantee it will be.

We should have members of each faction pasting reminders here and there in the militia channels about this thread and the current action required by the community. I'll try to remember to remind people.

Also... I may be ******** here but... what deep-scan are we talking about here? 360-14AU directional scan?

Hurrraahh!!!! commrade!!

As I stated in the W&T thread about the minutes...

I AM NOT IN FW TO PRETEND TO BE IN 0.0!

just bumping this to say how clueless CCP is regarding FW. they are completely out of touch with what makes the idea of FW so amazing: small gang pvp, easy to get into, drama-free. small scale pvp allows for a huge variety of fits to blossom. no drama means people are just about getting out there to pew pew. and easy to get into means it's casual. this creates mass appeal. people RUN from nullsec bullshit.

i dont want FW run by nullsec monkeys. maybe CCP should have come out to that FW panel last year to get their edumacation.

Because faction war gets a bad rap. Elitist 0.0 dudes talk down faction war as much as they can and then there's the FW community itself talking about the broken plex mechanics. However, every single guy I see join militia after a year or so in 0.0 asks "why haven't I come here sooner?". Fact is most people haven't tried faction war, or they joined and couldn't get into fleets often enough. Faction war is kind of like fight club for a player that joins an NPC corp. You sit at the door and wait until you're called for and then you're in.

I agree. Can we get all FW pilots to post to general militia and/or chat about this post? And if Hans intends on running for CSM, we can point them to that thread?

As far as me for CSM gos there are people better for the job who would want to do it more.(tho I have always wanted to go to Iceland and see the land of my fathers)

But If I will be listened to buy even 2 of you I have a few things to say.
1)we should all lay off attacking each other in FW related threads for now, we need to sound more like one voice. If you still need to smack find an different thread to smack them in.
2)Do not talk about removing features .
3)end post/signature with some thing you want.

I'll even for now lay off my "there trying to kill it on purpose" talk for now.........though I still want to see pickled heads or singed writing to the contrary.


I would like to see More plexes, and may be Incerson style events that go with the teritory control features.

I'm not surprised by the CSM saying that either. They are completely out of touch with anyone who actually enjoys small scale pvp in eve.

Not 100% sure why we don't have a rep but I think its because FW players often not as diehard computer gamers who can take several weeks off to travel to iceland plus do the other work required to be on csm. So last election no fw players even ran.

Plus fw players, like most eve players tend not to follow the csm politics. But unlike the null sec lemmings, they won't just vote for whoever they are told to vote for.

Lots of people have left fw because its core mechanic - occupancy plexing is most efficiently done as a pve sytem.

Finally there is some disagreement about what should be done.

Sure there is a consensus that CCP shouldn't just make FW into the same thing as null sec sov. But only a complete idiot would think they should. Should we strive to have more things to do in eve or fewer? CSM and CCP's answer: Fewer. Instead of having 2 different things to do 1)null sec sov warfare and 2)FW, lets make it so both mechanics are pretty much the same! That way players will have fewer options in eve.

It used to be that the only consensus was that fw needs to be fixed. Now it seems lots of people are saying its fine. I guess reading the stupidity contained in these minutes made them backpedal. Some people want more/stronger npcs some want no npcs etc etc.

I think Han's original post here is about as much of a consensus as we have ever gotten as to what we actually want to happen.