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gfldex
#41 - 2016-11-20 02:49:51 UTC
FQPW wrote:

L3's are pretty easy in a fully outfitted Gnosis with T1's


The Gnosis was given out as a birthday present. Granted, they handed out about 250000 of those but it's by no means a long term solution. At some point somebody writes a Guide For Alphas Who Want To PLEX and the price will skyrocket.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#42 - 2016-11-20 05:51:04 UTC
Cepheus Antollare wrote:
alpha's can't use mining drones at all


Pro tip: apart from ORE command ship pilots post-Ascension, career miners don't use them either. A full flight of Mining Drone IIs flown from an exhumer will increase yield on that exhumer by about 125m3/minute on top of the exhumer's 2000/minute capacity.

You're much better off using combat drones, though an exhumer pilot will probably just rely on shield regen to take care of the incoming damage from NPCs (and rely on belt-ratting combat pilots to take care of the NPCs).

My mining fleet will have cleared half the asteroid belt by the time the fleet's mining drones have exhausted one asteroid.

Believe me, not being able to fly mining drones is no loss.

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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2016-11-20 06:32:22 UTC
We will have alpha players asking for more all time.

Asking for more for the next two weeks, then beginning to complain the game is lame and bad because it's not a free to play and they are limited in the things they can do.

As already said, the struggle will be between alphas that want to play fully for free and omegas that have no intention to pay for the fun of others.

In my opinion there is not a solution, this game is not good for micro transactions, ccp will never gain the same money of subscriptions with so and so skins or similar useless stuff....

...they can think about some bunny drones following ships but I think it won't work....
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2016-11-20 08:18:39 UTC
The extra time for alphas is enough to get the game, and to learn how to PLEX if they really want to play Omega for free. Getting the PLEX for your monthly EvE is not hard once you have the knowledge, skillpoints have little say here. However this only works if there are enough "whales" buying PLEX with cash.

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#45 - 2016-11-20 09:04:41 UTC
FQPW wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
You think it will be any more fun to do the same with a Retriever with the difference that you push buttons less often?

I also wonder if it's true that you can make 10x what a venture can with missions, considering alphas can only fly T1 fit cruisers. They will likely not be able to run Level 3 missions efficiently, and with level 2s It will be difficult for most to reach 5M/h.


L3's are pretty easy in a fully outfitted Gnosis with T1's



If you are concentrating on mining how do you know about a fully fitted Gnosis and L3 missions?

Or is it that you're not really a new player?

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Keno Skir
#46 - 2016-11-20 14:07:40 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
FQPW wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
You think it will be any more fun to do the same with a Retriever with the difference that you push buttons less often?

I also wonder if it's true that you can make 10x what a venture can with missions, considering alphas can only fly T1 fit cruisers. They will likely not be able to run Level 3 missions efficiently, and with level 2s It will be difficult for most to reach 5M/h.


L3's are pretty easy in a fully outfitted Gnosis with T1's



If you are concentrating on mining how do you know about a fully fitted Gnosis and L3 missions?

Or is it that you're not really a new player?


Ummmmmm, did he ever say he was a new player?

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#47 - 2016-11-20 20:39:01 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
FQPW wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
You think it will be any more fun to do the same with a Retriever with the difference that you push buttons less often?

I also wonder if it's true that you can make 10x what a venture can with missions, considering alphas can only fly T1 fit cruisers. They will likely not be able to run Level 3 missions efficiently, and with level 2s It will be difficult for most to reach 5M/h.


L3's are pretty easy in a fully outfitted Gnosis with T1's



If you are concentrating on mining how do you know about a fully fitted Gnosis and L3 missions?

Or is it that you're not really a new player?


Ummmmmm, did he ever say he was a new player?


He intimated it, yes.

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Kitsa
UnHoly C0nF3SSi0ns
#48 - 2016-11-20 21:12:56 UTC
FQPW wrote:
As a alpha clone player trying out EVE Online I seriously find that people like me that really enjoy mining are being left out.
Combat players have a variety of frigates, destroyers and cruisers.
Miners only get a Venture...
At least give Alpha Clones access to Mining Barges.
And I am not even talking about the skills for mining and industry which I could count on 2 hands.
Compared to combat skills which are a lot it is just ridiculous.

Please improve the mining capabilities for Alpha Cloners.


you have never done ninja mining now have you?
Krima Sumyungi
Makavi Industries
#49 - 2016-11-22 06:33:21 UTC
Considering Alpha's have access to strip mining lasers, you would think CCP would have something for Alpha's to actually put them on.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#50 - 2016-11-22 08:12:33 UTC
FQPW wrote:
Please improve the mining capabilities for Alpha Cloners.


What if I told you that little Alpha Venture you're complaining about can pull in some ISK90m/hour under the right conditions?

The not insignificant condition being that you're in an Instrumental or Vital Core Reservoir gas site in C5/C6 Wormhole space or you're chasing Cytoserocin Gas in low and 0.0 space.

Alphas, quite deliberately, have limits. If you're feeling limited, cough up and experience the full joy of EVE.

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Kozan Khardula
Doomheim
#51 - 2016-11-23 13:04:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kozan Khardula
FQPW wrote:
As a alpha clone player trying out EVE Online I seriously find that people like me that really enjoy mining are being left out.
Combat players have a variety of frigates, destroyers and cruisers.
Miners only get a Venture...
At least give Alpha Clones access to Mining Barges.
And I am not even talking about the skills for mining and industry which I could count on 2 hands.
Compared to combat skills which are a lot it is just ridiculous.

Please improve the mining capabilities for Alpha Cloners.



I'm a gree with OP, I are new as well, and been looking in to focus on mining / industry, and after i get ok with it I would try to explore littel as well. But pure combat/pvp is not my intresst for now at least. As I allways liked production/ craftin in MMORPG
Yea I dont see way rest of the omegas are afraid for alphas to fly mining barge? will CCP have ppl in the game over time or will they loos players(alphas) beacouse of the restriktions. If CCp had alowed to fly mining barge , I belive more ppl would try the game and more would stayed as alphas yes, but CCP would also gain some subs too. So not only see short terms here, but over time. I belive that alphas with more industry skills would benefitt EVE comunity and CCP over time.
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Litla Sundlaugin
#52 - 2016-11-23 13:29:08 UTC
" the venture is full within a few minutes" this is your key words, it gets full fast, I mine, I still use a venture, it's a great little ship, if your purely looking at ISK then an Alpha clone is not what you want, you want a sub if you are going after ISK, if you are going for fun then an Alpha is fine as you are able to do the "fun thing"

A maxed out alpha "free" play doesn't need tons of ISK to have the access to all that it needs, 1 load of ore can buy several mods over, 2 loads can buy you most frigates and frigates are where much PVP takes place.


If you want a cruiser as an Alpha then using a venture and getting the materials or mining and selling will get you one in a very short time, alphas are fine in my opinion, if you want to give it a go then try subbing for a month or 2, at the end of the month you should have a feel on where you want to go, free or sub.
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2016-11-23 14:01:46 UTC
if miners are not restricted, if they have enough skills to mine comfortably, they would never subscribe. that is NOT CCP's intention with alphas.
Valkyrie Harkonnen
Doomheim
#54 - 2016-11-23 14:35:24 UTC
Mining isn't that bad as an Alpha player. The lack of cloaking for exploration and PI option is what really cripples the experience being an Alpha.

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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#55 - 2016-11-23 19:19:44 UTC
OP, I think CCP is trying to tell you something.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#56 - 2016-11-23 19:27:45 UTC
Valkyrie Harkonnen wrote:
... PI option is what really cripples the experience being an Alpha.

Yeah, let's give people free access to an endless source of afk ISK for free. That is not going to be exploited at all... -.-
Augustus Firestorm
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2016-12-01 17:51:41 UTC
As an Alpha player what I don't understand is the limitation and restriction on mining Drones. I'd like to see them re-enable this for Alpha's and just limit the skill levels on said drones. To me it just makes sense to allow an Alpha to dabble but not maximize.

Their harvest rate is severely below a turret and with the limitations on ships available I don't see why the limit is even in place.

granted it won't break the bank on the current mining that I do but after having a 30 day account once before where I skilled up mining drones just knowing that I cannot use them at all now is a heartbreak.
Ugly Cable
No Luck Corp
#58 - 2017-01-07 23:11:26 UTC
Darth Kendari wrote:
Classic give them an inch they want to take a mile.

CCP did extensive work on the skills for Alphas, including the CSM. Many of the restrictions came from the "players" suggestions.

Alphas have MORE than enough skills and time to "explore" eve on a perma trial basis.

People "really" wanted to play EVE close to fully skilled and pay NOTHING and are just not being honest about it.

GTFO with that lame arse garbage.


In this case they should not call the game FREE TO PLAY, but PAY TO WIN or FREE TO TRY. Those lying marketing manipulators Big smile
I would say it's classic "Save the game from extinction" technique. Don't worry in an year it will be completely free to play without the Alpha/Omega garbage.
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#59 - 2017-01-08 00:00:12 UTC
They need to allow Alphas to get ALL T2 light scout drones, not just one, depending on your faction. Sure, no one would then sub for the combat drones, but who does that anyway?

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Bertok Francis
1 Royal Fleet Corps
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2017-01-08 01:54:43 UTC
Ajem Hinken wrote:
They need to allow Alphas to get ALL T2 light scout drones, not just one, depending on your faction. Sure, no one would then sub for the combat drones, but who does that anyway?

Wait, my gallente FW alpha character can use hobgoblin 2s? That will only change the effectiveness of my tristan by ~50%........