EVE General Discussion

Good to know your taking the right approach. You have alot of stuff that has been done in the past year from a techical point of view and alot of assets created. Now you need to figure out what to do with it.

If you free yourself from the straightjacket of Aurum and refocus on the older ideas of Ambulation you can create something that links all the gameplay of eve together. Sitting in a station is something that ever Capsuleer does with the exception of WH-dwellers and perhaps even those could enjoy that with the eventual creation of modular stations.

Ambulation had promise, Incarna needs to be ditched. Make engaging gameplay that combines both PI and Space rescources into something worth wild to do in both industrial and social ways and you will have people enjoying stations.

A new game feature needs...

- Gameplay.

- Gameplay.

- Gameplay.

- (Art, shiny bits, tech)

You did the less important fourth bit first without the three important parts before it. For the most part the ambitious quality targets were met - the avatars really are head and shoulders above the junk most MMOs push these days.

But it shipped without any gameplay. So it was pointless. The only "gameplay" element was "spend $$$, buy AUR, buy clothes that nobody else can see". That is beyond weaksauce and whoever greenlighted it should've been keelhauled already.

If you are now figuring out the gameplay, make sure you figure it all out (no just type "minigames and stuff" somewhere) including how it properly ties to EVE as a whole. If it takes time, then it takes time.

We have in no particular order:

Designers:
CCP Flying Scotsman
CCP t0rfifrans

Software Engineers:
CCP Karkur
CCP Bayesian

QA:
CCP RedDawn

I'v always liked t0rfifrans and what I heared from Flying scotsman was good. So thats a small but very decent team.

and really, no more aur ideas/stories, its not an enabler of anything, it constricts the entire idea of ambulation.

"RUNNING" in stations, a cover system, using a gun to blow your enemies face off. Design WiS to be part of the SOV system. After reinforcing a station we should have to board the station and take over certain objectives while the current owners defend it before it is ours. THAT would make WiS meaningful and part of the core of EvEs PVP. When it comes to highsec, killing someone in the station would have the same effect as it does in space. Guns pop out of the walls and guards fill you with tungsten rounds. Bounty hunting in stations! There is so much that can be done with stations...tie it in with PvP and 0 sec SOV.

When it comes to how combat should play out in stations either take a queue from Mass Effect, Gears, Uncharted... and use a third person view with cover system or do a first person with cover system. Or both...personally I think a more Mass Effect feel would be perfect.

Basically give us DUST but in space and in stations! DUST can cover planetary ground stuff...WiS can cover space and in stations stuff.

As for skills you could make skills work just like they do in space. Skills for armor and perhaps shields. A skill for each type of weapon to use, skills for improving reload times and accuracy. ****...this would be awesome!

Oh...also this...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24221&find=unread

:))
The remaining part is the one NO ONE in the industry was able to implement yet :D

I had some thoughts after reading how some players want the ability to walk up and kill others in high sec stations.

I believe being able to run amuck and kill anyone anywhere at anytime in WiS high security stations should not be allowed to happen, unless you jump into a Concord Sanctioned FPS PvP Arena. I think having the ability to actually kill another player in high security stations should be a specialized career path that includes training specific skills with special Implants to help increase the chance of success.

To successfully gank someone in a high sec station, it should be a percent chance based on level of skills trained, implants installed and the level of the high security system. There should also be a limit on the amount of attempts made per target within a set time frame.


This is just an example of the idea. The stats / values can be adjusted.

Assassin Skill - Chance for successful assassination attempt on non-bounty target in high security stations. Allows one attempt per non-bounty target every 24 hours. Each level trained increases chance of success by +15%.
Level 1 = +15%
Level 5 = +75%

An increase per level of high security system reduces chance of success by -5%.
0.5 system security level = -5%
1.0 system security level = -25%

Executioner Skill - Works in conjunction with Assassin Skill. Allows one attempt per non-bounty target every 24 hours. Each level trained increases chance of success by +5%.
Prerequisite = Assassin Level 5
Level 1 = +5%
Level 5 = +25%




Vigilante Skill - Chance for successful assassination attempt on bounty target in high security stations. Allows one attempt per bounty target every 24 hours. Each level trained increases chance of success by 15%.
Level 1 = +15%
Level 5 = +75%

An increase per level of high security system reduces chance of success by -5%.
0.5 system security level = -5%
1.0 system security level = -25%

Enforcer Skill - Works in conjunction with Vigilante Skill. Allows one attempt per bounty target every 24 hours. Each level trained increases chance of success by +5%.
Prerequisite = Vigilante Level 5
Level 1 = +5%
Level 5 = +25%



'Gallows' Attribute Implants - 5 piece set - Slots 1 to 5 = Each implant has +3 attribute modifier and +3% chance increase for successful assassination attempt on target.
Bonus 'Gallows' Hardwiring Implant - Slot 6 = Allows one assassination attempt per target every 24 hours.
Prerequisite = Cybernetics Level 5 and Assassin Level 5 or Vigilante Level 5
Full Set = +15% chance of success.


With a full set of implants installed and level 5 trained in both skills of either skill group, the player would have ability to do 3 attempts per target every 24 hours with a 90% chance of success per attempt in a 1.0 high security station.

I was thinking maybe there should be some sort of penalty for a failed attempt, probably like a security status reduction.

It could be regulated. Perhaps technology inside the stations shuts off weaponry in places where the tech is installed. Perhaps inside a player owned bar a module is in effect that shuts off any weapon making it inoperable. Once you leave that bar the weapon reactivates until you enter another room that has the module in place to disarm it. This would allow for some PvP in certain circumstances. Areas of the station used for capturing or even missions for PvE would be separate from the bazaar area where most people would accumulate and hang out.

If pre-production starts now, I guess the full development will start 2013 at the very earliest and with the amount of content that will be required (equivalent of a typical first person shooter tbh) I don't see anything close to what players have in mind available until 2015-2016 and that assuming a lot of resources are directed to this development.

After all right now we have no WIS content besides a great character creator and a way to display it locally, the engine is sorely lacking. In case people are unaware, the server has no idea information where in the CQ your character is standing/sitting, the only server interaction going on are the buttons. So to implement an "invite a friend to your CQ" feature is pretty much dead in the water even though you can have two avatars rendered next to each other (hey the mirror works), one client will never know if the character controlled by the other client has moved.

I really truly hope that we one day will get something similar to the WIS we had a playable demo of at Fanfest, however I really don't think that will happen until my characters have reached the age of 10 in 2016.

I think the speculation on what CCP can and can't do is probably not helping. Like an earlier poster who speculated that they can't have two avatars in the same space, there is no reason why this can't happen, it's just a matter of priority and resources.

Personally I think enabling the ability to invite avatars into your CQ is a good initial goal, as long as it is expressed to be a 'beta' feature. They could even make it something that players have to opt into, the same as they were going to do for the old 'new' neocom previously.