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[November] Orca Changes

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Careby
#281 - 2016-11-10 13:23:49 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Careby wrote:
Since when do EVE players do what they are "supposed" to?





when there is no benefit to not a barge fleet with orca support is just better than a fleet of orcas yield wise since orca boosts don't affect drones


Yes but a lot of miners choose ore hold over efficiency, for obvious reasons.
Careby
#282 - 2016-11-10 13:28:33 UTC
Raw Matters wrote:
...The align time is still a pain, but then this ship just has to have some downsides, so I guess it is ok. I wish there would be like a travel mode that you can switch on/off on stations only, to allow you to move your Orca from one system to another in less than what feels like an eternity.


A 500MN MWD reduces what feels like an eternity to what feels like only an eon.

Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
#283 - 2016-11-10 13:42:38 UTC
Careby wrote:
A 500MN MWD reduces what feels like an eternity to what feels like only an eon.


Orca makes you check if you have some leave days left to get your stuff from Amar to Rens.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#284 - 2016-11-10 15:11:24 UTC
Jalxan wrote:
I don't see why people are so concerned about bumping. If I ever need to worry about bumping, a 500mn MWD, and an Anchor rig, will easily boost that ship to 400,000,000kg. And that would put the relative end to that. It won't make it impossible, but it will surely make it far more difficult.

EDIT - I actually would like to see the ability to stack Anchor rigs, instead of being limited to just one. Or, alternatively, make a tech 2 rig which adds 150% or more instead.


I would like to know more.

Why does the MWD increase mass?

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Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
#285 - 2016-11-10 15:13:45 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Why does the MWD increase mass?

Because it says so in the description.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#286 - 2016-11-10 15:22:04 UTC
Raw Matters wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Why does the MWD increase mass?

Because it says so in the description.


Oh wow. 9 years of playing and learn new stuff all the time.

So if I put on a Higgs rig and 500 mwd then bumping is more difficult?

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Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
#287 - 2016-11-10 16:12:46 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
So if I put on a Higgs rig and 500 mwd then bumping is more difficult?

Yes and no. You can no longer push the Orca away from gates and WHs unless you bring heavy ships on your own, but you can still keep it from warping.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#288 - 2016-11-10 17:51:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Raw Matters wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
So if I put on a Higgs rig and 500 mwd then bumping is more difficult?

Yes and no. You can no longer push the Orca away from gates and WHs unless you bring heavy ships on your own, but you can still keep it from warping.


So I guess that is why CCP is considering the 3 minute rule.

So with the rig and MWD, you couldn't be pushed away from the belt, but you couldn't warp out if needed?

What if I get some one to web me?

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Malcorath Sacerdos
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#289 - 2016-11-11 19:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorath Sacerdos
aldhura wrote:
FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:
I think the Orcas yield is still to low personally. i think it should get another +600 to max mining per min with drones, and i think it should get more ice mining drone cycle bonuses.. I dont feel like this is enough.

i dont care if its "as good as a barge" as some people claim, it also cost 4x what that T2 barge cost so it should be Better at the job.

Also i think its time they added Capital Strip miners.
the orca should beable to put 4 of them on if it wants to.. or atleast put 4 normal strip miners on...
We have needed a Capital mining ship for a very long time now.
Capital and super capital ships take armies of mining alts weeks of boring AFK mining to make even 1 ship..

As for the PVP players out there looking at this change, i want you to think about this..
if CCP makes these ships REALLY attractive, i mean REALLY REALLY freaking attractive for miners to be in them!
(and no currently what is purposed is NOT enough for miners to want to risk them) mining.
Than that means you will get more really expensive kills on your boards, and people might even try to defend them in belts which means even more fights and kills..

Edit: Ice mining drones are to dang big. please make them 25 m3/bandwidth. and not 50. thx


Oh lastly CCP, plz don't forget to make gas mining drones =)

my 2 cents. 0/


How did you get it be "as good as a barge" ?? I am not a great miner, but was keen to see how close I could get them, but my mack easily out mines the orca. I am sure I have missed something as I still don't know what to do with all 6 HS :/




3 x boost 1xshield transfer 1xcap transfer 1x tractor beam ?
pair them one shield booster and one mining booster trading cap and using shield transfers to keep miner safe. keep two roids locked and the other orca so you can easally rep the orca and keep those mining drones active the last two targets u use to lock up mingships in need of assistance.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#290 - 2016-11-12 00:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark O'Helm
100% to drone mining yield,

Why not -50% cycle time for ice mining?

And please give it 100 drone bw or make the ice drones only use 25.

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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#291 - 2016-11-12 01:53:10 UTC
Careby wrote:
Raw Matters wrote:
...The align time is still a pain, but then this ship just has to have some downsides, so I guess it is ok. I wish there would be like a travel mode that you can switch on/off on stations only, to allow you to move your Orca from one system to another in less than what feels like an eternity.


A 500MN MWD reduces what feels like an eternity to what feels like only an eon.


Since when do 10 sec. count as an eon?

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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#292 - 2016-11-12 02:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark O'Helm
Raw Matters wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
So if I put on a Higgs rig and 500 mwd then bumping is more difficult?

Yes and no. You can no longer push the Orca away from gates and WHs unless you bring heavy ships on your own, but you can still keep it from warping.

Sadly not true.

A well fitted Mach with an 500MWD can bump your 400kt orca still up tp at least 1000m/s. And the 75%speed reduction of the higgs anchor makes it a pain to move back to the field or from one point to another in it.

Spare the higgs and use the 500MWD to bring your orca up to over 400m/s max speed. Watch the Mach and start aligning to it, when it's coming.

And then watch, who is bumping who. Cool

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Careby
#293 - 2016-11-12 09:11:15 UTC
Mark O'Helm wrote:
Careby wrote:
A 500MN MWD reduces what feels like an eternity to what feels like only an eon.

Since when do 10 sec. count as an eon?

Since 37 sec. count as an eternity.

Ded Akara
Doomheim
#294 - 2016-11-12 12:43:35 UTC
Does anyone know if ice harvester drones got nerfed somehow? My orca on test used to get around 35 sec cycle time with a T2 ice drone but now it gets 50 seconds. That's with all skills maxed and T2 drone mining rigs.
Raven Ship
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#295 - 2016-11-12 20:55:46 UTC
There are quite few statments from people about how much is mined by what, but those peps forget about that those exhumers at present are getting boosts, ~2600m3 per min with mackinaw now, so switch from mining ship for orca will be downgrade for that miner.
RainReaper
RRN Industries
#296 - 2016-11-12 22:25:00 UTC
Raven Ship wrote:
There are quite few statments from people about how much is mined by what, but those peps forget about that those exhumers at present are getting boosts, ~2600m3 per min with mackinaw now, so switch from mining ship for orca will be downgrade for that miner.

...and to get those boosts you need an orca. sure any orca after the first one would be kind of a waste. but there is always gonna be room for 1 orca. after that you should bring mining barges/exhumers.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#297 - 2016-11-12 22:33:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark O'Helm
Raven Ship wrote:
There are quite few statments from people about how much is mined by what, but those peps forget about that those exhumers at present are getting boosts, ~2600m3 per min with mackinaw now, so switch from mining ship for orca will be downgrade for that miner.

But the orca will be the ultimate afk miner with a decent yield. And then i guess, code will adapt and start killing orcaminers.

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Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy
Dead Terrorists
#298 - 2016-11-12 22:37:30 UTC
Mark O'Helm wrote:
Raven Ship wrote:
There are quite few statments from people about how much is mined by what, but those peps forget about that those exhumers at present are getting boosts, ~2600m3 per min with mackinaw now, so switch from mining ship for orca will be downgrade for that miner.

But the orca will be the ultimate afk miner with a decent yield. And then i guess, code will adapt and start killing orcaminers.

Until they get ganked.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#299 - 2016-11-12 22:46:41 UTC
Ded Akara wrote:
Does anyone know if ice harvester drones got nerfed somehow? My orca on test used to get around 35 sec cycle time with a T2 ice drone but now it gets 50 seconds. That's with all skills maxed and T2 drone mining rigs.

Same as my Sisi orca.

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Careby
#300 - 2016-11-12 23:42:40 UTC
Mark O'Helm wrote:
But the orca will be the ultimate afk miner with a decent yield. And then i guess, code will adapt and start killing orcaminers.


As long as you fit it sensibly, it probably won't be ganked. Now whether or not it will be anywhere near the asteroids you were mining when you went afk is another matter.