Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I recently get loot-stolen pretty often during my missions. An issue that I thought was gone with the changes over the past years, but obviously its not. The biggest problem beside the ISK loss is that other players can steal critical mission items from the mission, making it impossible for me to complete it, with all the consequences that come with it. The mobile tractor isn't helping in this case, as it can simply be destroyed by the attacker in no time and without Concord interfering. That leaves the only option for me to attack the suspect and usually to loose my mission ship while trying.

The big problem starts with the attacker being obviously prepared for PvP while I am not. This means the attacker has all the time in the world to scan and prepare for the fight, he can even refit his ship to perfectly match my ship, and then attack just at the perfect moment. There is nothing I can do against that, as I am not allowed to engage until the attacker decides that I am allowed to. So I already start at a disadvantage, and on top of that the attacker can of course also bring his 2nd or 3rd char to join in using remote repair, so I am not only facing one well prepared enemy but several.

Should I decide to engage, the best possible outcome (assuming smart players on both sides) is that I can warp out before my ship gets destroyed. The worst possible (and also most likely) outcome is the destruction of my ship. This makes the whole loot-stealing system unfair as it is highly biased towards the attacker. While that's ok in low and 0.0, it shouldn't be the case in high-sec, that criminals are at an advantage in general.

There are several ways to fix this:

1. Usage of warp disruption in high-sec is always a criminal act, no matter why, how and who.
In this case the combat can happen, but if I feel like I am loosing, I can just warp away, and so can the other guy. This would be in line with the other Concord regulations to prevent the loss of assets and pods.

2. Assistance of a suspect is a criminal act.
In this case the attacker is still at a disadvantage, but at least the fight will be 1 vs 1. This would also solve the issue with all those unfair "duels" happening.

3. Attacking valuable player structures is a criminal act.
In this case it becomes a race between the attacker and my mobile tractor beams.

4. Looting mission specific items is a criminal act.
Kind of a band-aid fix as it lacks immersive logic, but it would at least fix the issue.


I'd prefer a combination of 1 + 2. But whatever would be the best thing, something needs to be done before this gets out of hand, again. Currently loot stealing is basically without consequence, as it would be stupid to defend yourself against it.

Care to explain how it is balanced if I am facing 3:1 and the other one is better prepared?

How to fix: get to it before them.

Bottom line: It's not yours until it's in your cargo hold.

If you don't want to play against other players, play on SISI or don't play at all.

I had an amused smirk at reading the OP asking for, basically, hisec pvp removal.

Your proposals would bring a decisive end to mission invasions.

Your proposals have not, however, demonstrated why mission invasions need to be removed.

I shall maintain that mission invasions need to be allowed to continue. They are one of the few places were many highsec residents are still open to conflict. MTUs were originally intended to increase mission invasion frequency.

I once had someone trying to steal the mission item from a wreck, I shot the wreck.

You'd think it'd work that way. It would, if the highsec carebears would stop their bleating about removing the infinitesimal amount of risk they still have and actually plan for PvP.

m8 it's not yours until it's in your station

It's still not yours if I can scam you out of it.

The issue is, what if I kill the ninja looter and the item does not drop again?
The OP is misleading but losing mission items is a nuisance indeed.
Dunno if it should be actually adressed though.