Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So the mechanic for warp cores has actually bothered me for a long time. It just doesn't make sense to me for a few reasons such as small frigate being able to stop a battleship (and a large warp core) from going to warp. while i understand the battleship could dispatch the frigate with ease, its the fact that the current mechanic allows this to happen that bothers me. SO here's my thought on a more robust mechanic based on a multi-point system.

Each ship based on its size (and possibly faction) is given a base number for its standard warp core stabilization. (the idea is that the number is somehow correlated to how long it takes the ship to achieve warp, i dont have access to the time it takes ships to achieve warp so im using these numbers as a base concept and will adjust them when i find solid numbers).
Frigates: 10
Destroyers: 15
Cruisers: 30
Battlecruisers: 45
Battleships: 90
Capitals: 135
Titans: 195

Industrials: 45
Transports: 90
Freighters: 135
Jump Freighters: 195

Warp disruptors will give a negative stat when used against ship based upon the module type being use against the ship.
Small modules: -10
Small II: -15
Medium: -30
Medium II : -45
Large: -90
Large II: -135

Warp Scramblers will also give a negative state but it will be stronger as well. the idea is simply that if the warp core stabilization hits 0 or lower, essentially warp corp cannot be activated.
Small modules: -15
Small II: -30
Medium: -45
Medium II: -90
Large: -135
Large II: -195

Warp stabilizers will counter this by contributing a positive bonus to the warp core stabilization.
Small modules: +10
Small II: +15
Medium: +30
Medium II: +45
Large: +90
Large II: +135

Interdiction bubbles should function differently and i believe reduce all warp core stabilization to "0". Considering they are destabilizing warp cores in an area, it makes sense they are producing enough power to nullify even the most powerful warp core.
Interdiction nullifiers will simply negate the effect of the bubble, so they work relatively the same as they currently are.

To help balance this mechanic, Interceptors and Interdictors should receive a bonus based on skill level as such.

Interceptor: 80% reduction to Medium Disrupter/Scrambler module power requirements
Interdictor: 80% reduction to Large Disrupter/Scrambler module power requirements

My main issue with the current system is all ships have 1+ to warp core stabilization. From there on its simply a +/-1 or 2 tug-of-war for warp core stabilization. its essentially coming down to who ever brings the most stabilizers vs who ever brings the most disrupters/scamblers. it reduces the whole mechanic to simply who can fit the most modules on, this doesnt sit well with me as it tends to take away the mechanic from the game. instead of having a dynamic warp core mechanic, we have the current rather static one.

Ive thought of the whole concept of how people may not like how a frigates warp disrupters/scramblers dont affect larger ships now...the solution to that is more complicated, im no mathmatican but ill try to explaine. Lets sare warp core strength is C, stabilizers are S, we will call disrupters/stabilizers drag represented with a D (remember these are all negative numbers) and give warp capability a W. Remember how i said the warp core strength should be somehow correlated with the time it takes for a ship to enter warp? Well call that variable N.
( C + S) + D = W

If W is equal to or less then 0, then warp is not achieved.
if W is greater then 0 then the following equation should take over.

C + -D = N

With N being the new time it takes to achieve warp with drag added.

This will allow smaller ships to slow down bigger ships until either help can arrive or bigger ships break away from the drag.

Im not saying my idea is the best, just a thought to improve it and i want to know if anyone else has a better idea for the mechanic.

"CCP, please make catching people when solo next to impossible."

Interdiction bubbles should function differently and i believe reduce all warp core stabilization to "0". Considering they are destabilizing warp cores in an area, it makes sense they are producing enough power to nullify even the most powerful warp core.
Interdiction nullifiers will simply negate the effect of the bubble, so they work relatively the same as they currently are.

To help balance this mechanic, Interceptors and Interdictors should receive a bonus based on skill level as such.

Interceptor: +5 pts to warp disrupter/scrambler strength per interceptor level
Interdictor: +15 pts to warp disrupter/scrambler strength per interdictor level

This mechanic simply shifts risk to smaller ships and in some ways actually makes some ships easier to catch over the current system. Large ships become harder to prevent from warping but only by smaller ships. i feel this system makes more sense compared to the current system and is more balanced.

Your 'logic' here is internal only to your system. You're basically saying that CCP's idea of how a warp core works doesn't fit with your idea of how this *entirely fictional piece of technology* works and you would like them to change to your idea.

There's no gameplay purpose being served here, as several people have pointed out this would make small ships basically useless as tackle and make large ships all but uncatchable in most practical contexts. There's no good gameplay reason to do this, at least that I see or that you've provided, and it would shift things *massively* into the favor of the defender in any attempt to tackle them.

For example if I'm sitting 150km off the gate in a sniper ship and a small fleet warps in they need *nine* Frigate sized points to stop me, which for most practical purposes means at least 5 Frigates. That's probably half of any small gang, and if I nail even one of those 5 frigates as they're burning in, nope I warp off scott-free having done whatever damage I've done.

Just no, that's a terrible dynamic, and this entire idea is basically an argument over how fictional technology should work.

This would only make F1 blobs even stronger and would decimate small gang and solo pvp.

under my system, two interceptors could stop a BS.

You do make a valid point thought with my logic. my main issue with the current system is all ships have 1+ to warp core stabilization. From there on its simply a +/-1 or 2 tug-of-war for warp core stabilization. its essentially coming down to who ever brings the most stabilizers vs who ever brings the most disrupters/scamblers. it reduces the whole mechanic to simply who can fit the most modules on, this doesnt sit well with me as it tends to take away from whole concept.

Im not saying my idea is the best, just a thought to improve it and i want to know if anyone else has a better idea for the mechanic.

Why do you want to nerf "hero tackling"... one of the most noble of newbie professions?

Under your system two Interceptors with a fit specifically designed to do so (it would take 3 scrams at least), and one nobody runs for anything but niche builds. Realistically speaking ships run a single long point and that's what the game is currently balanced around. Your system makes long-points nearly useless and Scrams have to be used for their ability to actually stop things.

The Warp Disruption mechanics in this game exist more or less purely to force fights, nothing more and nothing less. Your thinking here seems to be that this needs to be more complicated or involve more nuance when it really just doesn't. What your system does is make it almost impossible to reasonably catch larger ships with small fleets unless you also bring large ships, and small ships are now basically worthless as tackle unless you bring overwhelming numbers of them.

Personally I think most people agree the system is fine as it is. Short vs long points offer an interesting trade off in how they're used and what they offer, and that dynamic, when combined with webs and other ewar is one of the most skill based and tricky parts of small-ship duels.

under this system a "newbie" player with minimal skills will not be able to stop a BS in a frigate. it would take 9 newbie frigates with minimal skill to stop it from warping if they all carry only one small warp disrupter. if there are 9 frigates with minimal skill trying to take down a BS i would say it would take more then 9 to damage it.

Even if you have skilled players with t1 frigates, it would take a minimum of 3 of them with high skill to stop a BS. That is assuming they are all carrying only one small Warp scrambler II. once again it will probably take more then 3 frigate with high skill to damage a BS.

Ive thought of the whole concept of how people may not like how a frigates warp disrupters/scramblers dont affect larger ships now...the solution to that is more complicated, im no mathmatican but ill try to explaine. Lets sare warp core strength is C, stabilizers are S, we will call disrupters/stabilizers drag represented with a D (remember these are all negative numbers) and give warp capability a W. Remember how i said the warp core strength should be somehow correlated with the time it takes for a ship to enter warp? Well call that variable N.
( C + S) + D = W

If W is equal to or less then 0, then warp is not achieved.
if W is greater then 0 then the following equation should take over.

C + -D = N

With N being the new time it takes to achieve warp with drag added.

This will allow smaller ships to slow down bigger ships until either help can arrive or bigger ships break away from the drag.

Every module in the game is based on relative size to its use. There are few exception to this in the game. a major one being the warp core mechanic. This concept doesnt make newbies useless. it just requires more of them to work together to achieve an objective. isnt that the point of EVE, collaborating with other to achieve a bigger goal? isnt that why we have corporations and alliances?

Frigate still wont be able to be easily targeted by larger ships, so they can still harass larger ships with this mechanic. it just brings it into better perspective and in align with the whole concept of EVE modules size relativity. I also believe it adds to meta by changing the way small gang function. They will still exist but require greater coordination with each other.

the way i see is if 9 frigates stop a BS and take out the drones, they could sit there forever until backup arrives.